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oh and look at this:
http://news.netcraft.com
63 % just cant be wrong.
http://news.netcraft.com
63 % just cant be wrong.
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Are you really implying that those servers are really running iis and windows, but are faking it? Thats really really amusing. Thats sort of windows security manegement concept.. security by obscurity.
Response: Not all, but some.
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And the study you referred to.. you can prove just about anything with surveys and so called studys. Just look at the ppl sponsoring the survey, and you'll see _why_ it was made in the first place. Microsoft has repeatedly try to trashtalk the open source community.. and by the looks of that sentence, this is another attempt. But really.. im not implying apache code dont contain errors, im sure it does.. thats why they continue working on the project.
Response: First of all, its a study. A survey is just a bunch of questions asked to some people. Secondly, you have no idea who funded it - the Apache Foundation might have, and who cares who funds it. The important part is bugs don't lie. They are there, or not - and they are there more frequently for apache.
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As for the GUI issue.. ill just reply with.. I dont use linux as a workstation.. yet. Mainly because I am dependant on software which is not available on Linux. I do however, use linux as a server. And i surely dont use X, or any more advanced GUI than ncurses. There is no reason to use a GUI on a server, commandline interface to a remote server is all I need.
Response: For the most part, you are right - but you have to think who would need a GUI. The original thread starter, a newbie would benefit from Window's ease of use.
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I'll tell you one thing *NIX is better than windows at. My firewall is a OpenBSD machine. And Windows sure as hell cannot top that code quality. I'd say Linux is more cost-effective in certain appliances. If you know what you are doing, then you simply cannot beat _free_.
Response: You can beat free all day. If your product is better free is beaten. Thats why we don't run Linux on every PC.
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And to have access to the source also gives opportunities to alter the OS at your whim.. a thing that is.. IMPOSSIBLE with windows.
Response: You don't need this with Windows. Microsoft provides complete lists of Windows API's and programming information. IF you don't like windows, write a program and make it work differently.
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And I'll finish off with webserving. Linux does it just as well as windows, and free. Stability you say? Linux is stable. FreeBSD, apparently is even more stable
Response: Although based on Unix, FreeBSD is NOT linux. You need to keep in mind that Uptime is not a good number to look at when we are talking about stabilty. Servers do not run many applications at once (specificly, webservers - which just do webserving). With one Application open - if its coded properly, Windows 2.0 can reach an uptime of years (providing it isn't shut off).
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Response: For the most part, I was talking about the needs and requirements that I have when choosing an OS, and I think that was pretty clear in my argumentation.
Also, the topic was using Linux as a server, and not as a workstation, which most of your arguments seems to be based on.
FreeBSD, is as I stated in earlier posts not Linux, but are also released under an Open Source license. It is, however a very nice os, I tend to use OpenBSD, which is a fork that has security as #1 priority.
Uptime is a good number to look at when we are talking stability. Provided the server also meets with the needs the task it has. I'm not that confident win2.0 would have years of uptime and at the same time performing as an FreeBSD webserver.
You know, there is a reason hotmail was run with a backend of FreeBSD and solaris machines. Last I heard the mailservers serving hotmail was run with FreeBSD, with a frontend of win2000 machines.
ONTOPIC: The choice of OS is purely a matter of what you want the server to do, and what skills you are willing to learn (provided you do not have them already). Some things *NIX do better than windows, and vice versa. For me, when I entered the world of *NIX, I got a whole new understanding of OS structure and learned a whole lot. Coming from a windows-world that pretty much shut me out of grasping the concept behind it all, this was a break for me, and I'll never use windows for my own servers again. (Given that I dont need it for special purposes 8) )
Thats my 2 cents, and I'll end my flaming here.
Also, the topic was using Linux as a server, and not as a workstation, which most of your arguments seems to be based on.
FreeBSD, is as I stated in earlier posts not Linux, but are also released under an Open Source license. It is, however a very nice os, I tend to use OpenBSD, which is a fork that has security as #1 priority.
Uptime is a good number to look at when we are talking stability. Provided the server also meets with the needs the task it has. I'm not that confident win2.0 would have years of uptime and at the same time performing as an FreeBSD webserver.
You know, there is a reason hotmail was run with a backend of FreeBSD and solaris machines. Last I heard the mailservers serving hotmail was run with FreeBSD, with a frontend of win2000 machines.
ONTOPIC: The choice of OS is purely a matter of what you want the server to do, and what skills you are willing to learn (provided you do not have them already). Some things *NIX do better than windows, and vice versa. For me, when I entered the world of *NIX, I got a whole new understanding of OS structure and learned a whole lot. Coming from a windows-world that pretty much shut me out of grasping the concept behind it all, this was a break for me, and I'll never use windows for my own servers again. (Given that I dont need it for special purposes 8) )
Thats my 2 cents, and I'll end my flaming here.
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I don't have time for a full reply now, but I will just respond to one of your points that ticked me off the most.
Response: Maybe a few years ago. Since then, Microsoft has fully switched over to a Windows backend. The reason for the old FreeBSD backend was in its place is, in case you don't know your computer history, Microsoft didn't originally create Hotmail, it was purchased. Converting Hotmail over to the newer system wasn't a huge priority - because it worked. When the amount members grew, and Microsoft wanted to impliment .NET features, it was migrated.
Never use the Hotmail excuse when trying to support Nix. It is utterly idiotic, and proves nothing.
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You know, there is a reason hotmail was run with a backend of FreeBSD and solaris machines. Last I heard the mailservers serving hotmail was run with FreeBSD, with a frontend of win2000 machines.
Response: Maybe a few years ago. Since then, Microsoft has fully switched over to a Windows backend. The reason for the old FreeBSD backend was in its place is, in case you don't know your computer history, Microsoft didn't originally create Hotmail, it was purchased. Converting Hotmail over to the newer system wasn't a huge priority - because it worked. When the amount members grew, and Microsoft wanted to impliment .NET features, it was migrated.
Never use the Hotmail excuse when trying to support Nix. It is utterly idiotic, and proves nothing.
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I want to take this a step down.
Linux Servers will be around forever, and so will Windows Servers.
People will support their favorite to the death; which has been proven here.
This waste of time / resources just goes to show you how good Windows Servers and Linux Servers really are.
Linux Servers will be around forever, and so will Windows Servers.
People will support their favorite to the death; which has been proven here.
This waste of time / resources just goes to show you how good Windows Servers and Linux Servers really are.
-Ryan Hoffman
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Please do not email or PM me with support questions. Please direct them to the forums instead.
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It's Nick,
I have been on vacation for the past week which did not give we an internet connection. I am currently in CT on my HP Palvilion ZE 5155. I do have a Gateway desktop with a 120 Gig Harddrive. I purchased this computer and it costed $3,000.00. I currently own dcdj.net and dcwdservices.com. I want to host dcwdservices.com and dcdj.net on the Gateway. I also want to start a hosting service and I need server software giving unlimited accounts. If you could please reply to me with what you think, I would appreciate it. My email is admin@dcdj.net. Hope to hear from you. Please email me, do not post.
Thanks,
Nick
I have been on vacation for the past week which did not give we an internet connection. I am currently in CT on my HP Palvilion ZE 5155. I do have a Gateway desktop with a 120 Gig Harddrive. I purchased this computer and it costed $3,000.00. I currently own dcdj.net and dcwdservices.com. I want to host dcwdservices.com and dcdj.net on the Gateway. I also want to start a hosting service and I need server software giving unlimited accounts. If you could please reply to me with what you think, I would appreciate it. My email is admin@dcdj.net. Hope to hear from you. Please email me, do not post.
Thanks,
Nick
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Originally Posted by njwnews
I do have a Gateway desktop with a 120 Gig Harddrive.
This is what we all thought that you had. Before you said 120 gigs of RAM. That's different than a hard drive.
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Posters,
This is Nick again. I am so sorry for the confusion in my miswording. I hope that all of you can forgive me for my mistake. I will be overlooking this site for 3 days. But on Wed, I will be leaving for home again to Atlanta. Please post in the three days.
Nick
PS: I will get back home on Friday around noon.
This is Nick again. I am so sorry for the confusion in my miswording. I hope that all of you can forgive me for my mistake. I will be overlooking this site for 3 days. But on Wed, I will be leaving for home again to Atlanta. Please post in the three days.
Nick
PS: I will get back home on Friday around noon.
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Originally Posted by njwnews
I hope that all of you can forgive me for my mistake.
No need to apologize... we're not bitter here.
And don't hold grudges, ... well, usually don't. LOL
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Originally Posted by Tekmaven
How much money do you have? Windows 2000 Server - which is an old operating system and has been replaced by Windows Server 2003. If you can afford Server 2003, then go for it - its very easy to use, and will do a better job then Linux will ever do (thats in my opinion - but it's a very debated issue).
There are a couple of things we would need to know before you could make a decision:
How fast is its processor?
Your computer can't have 120gb of ram - its limited to 2gb by the x86 architecture. How much ram do you really have?
How big is the hard disk?
What internet connection are you on?
Does your ISP block incoming port 80? (you might need to call them to find out - this question is very important to know before you start)
How computer literate are you? Have you used linux before?
Answer some of those, and we can make a better decision for your specific situation.
Tekman,
I am sorry for the confusion, but I do not have a 120 Gig of Ram. I have a 120G hard drive. I am so sorry. Anyway, I currently am running Windows XP Home Edition on my pc. I have a T1 internet connection. I have had Windows 2000 Pro on this computer before and I do know how to use it since I have modified many things in the operating system main folder. Anyway, if you could please continue to post your thoughts, I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Nick
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