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Originally Posted by lproven 
(Damn... The box is still there... mustn't be at ten posts yet! What else can I reply to? :-))
Your profile shows 7 forum posts as of the moment, so nearly there
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Originally Posted by lproven
I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. This is a readily-solvable issue with a few subframes. I use HTML daily in posting to Livejournal, both in blog entries and in comments, and I never bother to close tags if I want the effect to run through to the end of my post - I know that LJ will handle it and sort it for me. That is, after all, what computers are for!
The difference being that this isn't LJ, and nor is it primarily a blogging system. DaniWeb is a forum based community first and foremost, the blogging system is a custom coded one created by the hand of Dani herself and so works rather differently to the ones you are used to. Although I am sure she will be along in a moment to answer for herself, I suspect that HTML was not allowed in the blogs for the same reasons as the forums and that to add the safeguards you mention, ala LJ etc, would be too much coding overhead on the limited resources we have here at DaniWeb.
We are, please remember, a new and growing community, so allow us some time to evolve
And, anyway, don't give us your LJ blog postings give us the fresh, exciting, new and original stuff. Go on, I know you want to
Finally, you will find that DaniWeb is very responsive to debating issues that members bring up. It may not always get resolved as you would like, or when you would like, but I have to say that this is a rare beast in as far as changes do get made based upon the result not just of feedback but debate between users and The Queen herself.
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Originally Posted by lproven
Oh, come on. This is 2007 not 1997! If I can post on Livejournal or Flickr or YahooGroups or GoogleGroups or almost any other online forum I'm in using a safe restricted subset of HTML, then there is *no* reason why it can't be done here as well.
I am, if that was not clear, only interested in and asking about posting HTML *in my own blog*. I don't expect or plan to use markup in forum posts at all.
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Originally Posted by lproven
It may be, but I'm still not prepared to (1) learn yet another markup language or (2) convert posts from other places, where I'd normally use HTML, into something different for here!
bbcode is great because it is easy to learn and safe to use. And if you don't want to learn it you don't have to. All forum software comes complete with a standard editor that does it all for you. You just click bold and your text is bold, etc.. Just like your favorite word processor. Can't get any easier then that.
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Originally Posted by lproven
Gosh, the quoting really sucks as well, doesn't it? 8-o
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Originally Posted by lproven
I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. This is a readily-solvable issue with a few subframes. I use HTML daily in posting to Livejournal, both in blog entries and in comments, and I never bother to close tags if I want the effect to run through to the end of my post - I know that LJ will handle it and sort it for me. That is, after all, what computers are for!
And frames are a bad thing for so many reasons (accessibility being one of them). They are rarely a good solution for anything.
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Originally Posted by lproven
Nuh-uh. I have thousands of entries in various places around the web, and the common language is HTML.
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Originally Posted by lproven
It's not that I can't learn a new markup; it's that I won't. :-)
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It really doesn't count if 2,000 web fora use this "bbcode" thing, there are a hundred million websites out there and they *ALL* use HTML, even the ones that are entirely Flash-based.
It also doesn't matter how easy it is to learn or use, the point is that it's different to everywhere else that I use. I can post HTML on LJ, on Myspace, on my homepage, on my home webserver, on my client's machines, on CD-ROMs and I know that any computer with a GUI anywhere in the world will be able to render it. This BBCode thing is a peculiarity of web-based message boards, which are a miserable abomination compared to proper threaded conferencing systems like CoSy, Usenet and so on anyway.
I think from the look of this that I'm going to stick to my 30-odd mailing lists, Slashdot (which uses HTML), OSnews, CIX, LJ, Orkut, Myspace and all the other fora in which I participate, I'm afraid.
If I can't even update my own blog on Daniweb without using the standard language of the *entire world-wide web* then I'm afraid I really don't see why I should bother.
This may seem like a small niggle from a newbie to you, but it's not, honestly. Favouring proprietary formats over standards, even widely-used proprietary formats, is always a Bad Thing. Heed my words!
It also doesn't matter how easy it is to learn or use, the point is that it's different to everywhere else that I use. I can post HTML on LJ, on Myspace, on my homepage, on my home webserver, on my client's machines, on CD-ROMs and I know that any computer with a GUI anywhere in the world will be able to render it. This BBCode thing is a peculiarity of web-based message boards, which are a miserable abomination compared to proper threaded conferencing systems like CoSy, Usenet and so on anyway.
I think from the look of this that I'm going to stick to my 30-odd mailing lists, Slashdot (which uses HTML), OSnews, CIX, LJ, Orkut, Myspace and all the other fora in which I participate, I'm afraid.
If I can't even update my own blog on Daniweb without using the standard language of the *entire world-wide web* then I'm afraid I really don't see why I should bother.
This may seem like a small niggle from a newbie to you, but it's not, honestly. Favouring proprietary formats over standards, even widely-used proprietary formats, is always a Bad Thing. Heed my words!
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Originally Posted by lproven
It really doesn't count if 2,000 web fora use this "bbcode" thing, there are a hundred million websites out there and they *ALL* use HTML, even the ones that are entirely Flash-based.
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Originally Posted by lproven
This may seem like a small niggle from a newbie to you, but it's not, honestly. Favouring proprietary formats over standards, even widely-used proprietary formats, is always a Bad Thing. Heed my words!
Unfortunately you're alone in this belief. And bbcode isn't proprietary. Everyone can, and most do, use it.
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Originally Posted by lproven
It really doesn't count if 2,000 web fora use this "bbcode" thing, there are a hundred million websites out there and they *ALL* use HTML, even the ones that are entirely Flash-based.
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Originally Posted by Wikipedia
BBCode was devised and put to use in order to provide a safer, easier and more limited way of allowing users to format their messages. Previously, many message boards allowed the users to include HTML, which could be used to break/imitate parts of the layout, or run JavaScript.
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It also doesn't matter how easy it is to learn or use, the point is that it's different to everywhere else that I use. I can post HTML on LJ, on Myspace, on my homepage, on my home webserver, on my client's machines, on CD-ROMs and I know that any computer with a GUI anywhere in the world will be able to render it. This BBCode thing is a peculiarity of web-based message boards, which are a miserable abomination compared to proper threaded conferencing systems like CoSy, Usenet and so on anyway.
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If I can't even update my own blog on Daniweb without using the standard language of the *entire world-wide web* then I'm afraid I really don't see why I should bother.
Besides, blogs at DaniWeb aren't supposed to have huge amounts of formatting anyway. If everyone was allowed to customize their font and everything to personalize it, you would quickly lose the unified look that exists currently in the DaniWeb blogs.
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Favouring proprietary formats over standards, even widely-used proprietary formats, is always a Bad Thing. Heed my words!
Pipe down a little...
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> Unfortunately you're alone in this belief. And bbcode isn't proprietary. Everyone can, and most do, use it.
I'm not, you know.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bbcode
"Some implementations of BBCode have suffered problems related to the way they translate the BBCode into HTML, which could negate the security that was intended to be given by BBCode. A properly constructed HTML filter (of which there are a seeming infinitude of freely available) easily negates the need for users to learn another poorly defined, inconsistently implemented markup language. There is also currently no standards document for BBCode."
It's a daft idea. Making people learn a new markup language which the web forum then converts into the language the forum itself is designed and rendered in is virtually a definition of "redundant".
I'm not, you know.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bbcode
"Some implementations of BBCode have suffered problems related to the way they translate the BBCode into HTML, which could negate the security that was intended to be given by BBCode. A properly constructed HTML filter (of which there are a seeming infinitude of freely available) easily negates the need for users to learn another poorly defined, inconsistently implemented markup language. There is also currently no standards document for BBCode."
It's a daft idea. Making people learn a new markup language which the web forum then converts into the language the forum itself is designed and rendered in is virtually a definition of "redundant".
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Originally Posted by lproven
> Unfortunately you're alone in this belief. And bbcode isn't proprietary. Everyone can, and most do, use it.
I'm not, you know.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bbcode
"Some implementations of BBCode have suffered problems related to the way they translate the BBCode into HTML, which could negate the security that was intended to be given by BBCode. A properly constructed HTML filter (of which there are a seeming infinitude of freely available) easily negates the need for users to learn another poorly defined, inconsistently implemented markup language. There is also currently no standards document for BBCode."
It's a daft idea. Making people learn a new markup language which the web forum then converts into the language the forum itself is designed and rendered in is virtually a definition of "redundant".
This is the most stupid thread EVER.
Too pro for a WYSIWIG editor (a 20 year veteran of teh technologies!) and refusing to learn new markup that has about 5 commonly used tags and is pretty much the same as html but with [ and ] instead of < and >.
(Score -1, Flaimbait)
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I think the real point here is a missed one: DaniWeb is a web based discussion forum driven community, so it isn't that strange that we operate in a similar way to most other such web based fora. Daniweb isn't a blog based community or a social spaces website based one, so you can't expect it to operate like one.
Sorry Liam, I think you are way off-base with this argument.
That said, of course, everyone is different and if the HTML/bbcode thing is a huge stumbling point for you then that's fair enough. Just don't make us out as being the bad guys here
Sorry Liam, I think you are way off-base with this argument.
That said, of course, everyone is different and if the HTML/bbcode thing is a huge stumbling point for you then that's fair enough. Just don't make us out as being the bad guys here
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