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Hello.

I am new to Java and I am easing into this new language via some basic tutorials.

I am using the Borland 2005 IDE; it is powerful and I quite like it save for that it seems incredibly bulky, hogs all resources, freezes, tries to shut itself down, etc, etc. It is at times a pain to work with, truthfully. Has anyone else used Borland for Java? Have you similar experiences? Perhaps it is my machine (its RAM is not very strong I admit, but still) I just wonder if it is Borland 2005, my machine, or both.

What IDE would you recommend for a Java beginner to start off with?

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Hello.

I am new to Java and I am easing into this new language via some basic tutorials.

I am using the Borland 2005 IDE; it is powerful and I quite like it save for that it seems incredibly bulky, hogs all resources, freezes, tries to shut itself down, etc, etc. It is at times a pain to work with, truthfully. Has anyone else used Borland for Java? Have you similar experiences? Perhaps it is my machine (its RAM is not very strong I admit, but still) I just wonder if it is Borland 2005, my machine, or both.

What IDE would you recommend for a Java beginner to start off with?

Thank-you in advance for your input and reply.

Matty D.
I can imagine plenty of people responding with the immediate suggestion of eclipse, however eclipse also uses a decent amout of recources probably due to the fact it IS programmed in java (I believe). I personally prefer an editor such as Textpad since it does not provide code completion so it really exposes to you to the language instead of writing the code for you (great for beginners). It provides a shortcut button to the Java compiler and runtime (assuming you have the JDK installed) and also provides syntax highlighting (which we all know is the most important feature). I would check it out if I were you.

P.S. No knock on eclipse, it is a great IDE, however it does use a fair amount of recources to run and for a beginner wanting to learn the language probably not the best option.

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I like Netbeans over Eclipse. But on average for me, it'll use between 150-200mb of memory.
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I personally prefer an editor such as Textpad since it does not provide code completion so it really exposes to you to the language instead of writing the code for you (great for beginners).
Just small note on this, you can always switch this option in any of them if you don't like it or don't wanted :mrgreen:

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Perhaps it is my machine (its RAM is not very strong I admit, but still) I just wonder if it is Borland 2005, my machine, or both.

What IDE would you recommend for a Java beginner to start off with?
I recommend BlueJ, it's nice and simple.
http://www.bluej.org/download/download.html
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BlueJ is a disaster. It does NOT teach you programming, it teaches you some button clicking.

If you want to learn the language, don't use any IDE but a text editor and command line.
That way you'll learn the language rather than the tool (which is what way too many kids do, and end up utterly lost when they're presented with an environment where they don't have the exact same version of that tool set up exactly the same as at school).
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BlueJ is a disaster. It does NOT teach you programming, it teaches you some button clicking.

If you want to learn the language, don't use any IDE but a text editor and command line.
That way you'll learn the language rather than the tool (which is what way too many kids do, and end up utterly lost when they're presented with an environment where they don't have the exact same version of that tool set up exactly the same as at school).
Yes, that seems like sound advice. I wish to the learn the language not simply a single tool. Thanks for your reply.

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Meh, I disagree with that and I never said it teaches you anything. It's useful for typing code and compiling code. If someone ever puts themselves in a position where they are lost without their tool, it certainly isn't their tool that's at fault.
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BlueJ though is marketed as a teaching tool, and clearly does the exact opposite. It actually PREVENTS students from learning by hiding almost everything.
It also (from what I've heard) allows them to do things the language doesn't allow, whether by having a flawed compiler or by replacing certain styles of coding with other code under the hood before offering it to the compiler.

It's THE worst tool you can use to learn Java (apart from maybe Visual J++ which is years out of date but apart from that not too bad).
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Meh, I disagree with that and I never said it teaches you anything. It's useful for typing code and compiling code. If someone ever puts themselves in a position where they are lost without their tool, it certainly isn't their tool that's at fault.
Yet if they start out without a tool in the first place, they would not land in that situation.
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