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Originally Posted by christina>you 
Evolution has NOT been proven true as fact. It was a theory that came from one man's head, Charles Darwin. But how can you deny something that has been proven since the beginning?
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Actually, It is scientific FACT. All theories are pretty much fact, and almost every scientist will tell you that evolution is true. Even this man believes so. The entire genome project and DNA among many other things prove evolution. I have no time to explain it to a closed minded fool like you.. why don't you do a little research before you just start bashing scientific theories?
As for the bible, there are tons of lies throughout it. Have you even read it? As I mentioned before, the bible says the earth is about 6000 years old. However, it is actually about 4.5 BILLION years old. Scientists have discovered this through carbon dating and many other processes... And there are many more lies than this. Simply google it, and you will see.
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Originally Posted by joshSCH
As for the bible, there are tons of lies throughout it. Have you even read it? As I mentioned before, the bible says the earth is about 6000 years old. However, it is actually about 4.5 BILLION years old. Scientists have discovered this through carbon dating and many other processes... And there are many more lies than this. Simply google it, and you will see.
Yes, I have read it once all the way through, and still read it. But once again, show me a scripture that has a "lie" in it.
And by the way:
Scientists and archaeologists both agree that the Bible is historically correct. They actually use it as a history book at times. Although it is not a science book, it is still true.
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Theories do not = fact.
They are simply a hypothesis of what could have happened if this or that took place.
They are simply a hypothesis of what could have happened if this or that took place.
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Theories are not fact, true. But they have been proven true from every scientific experiment so far. The theory of evolution has yet to fail a scientific test, and has never come into conflict with any other scientific law/theory
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How has evolution been proven true over and over? Have you any evidence of monks magically transforming into human beings? If you do, by all means...
If the bible is not intended to be litteral then neither is Ceasar Agustus's Galic Wars or Thucydides, one of the greatest of ancient Greek historians and the author of The History of the Peloponnesian War, which is the first record of a political and moral analysis of a nations war policies. Even though his works are available from just eight manuscripts, dated 900 A.D (almost 1300 years after he wrote), his works are considered to be accurate. Look at Aristotle's works, coming from a mere five manuscripts. Would you dare question the validity of these historical writers? Never! If, in contrast, you compare the number of manuscripts of The New Testament alone, there are over twenty-thousand! Second to the New Testament is the Illiad with about 640 manuscripts.
Note* Here, manuscripts are refereing to original documents.
More evidence exists proving the reliability of the Bible, than any ten works of historical literature combined.
I could go on if you would like...
If the bible is not intended to be litteral then neither is Ceasar Agustus's Galic Wars or Thucydides, one of the greatest of ancient Greek historians and the author of The History of the Peloponnesian War, which is the first record of a political and moral analysis of a nations war policies. Even though his works are available from just eight manuscripts, dated 900 A.D (almost 1300 years after he wrote), his works are considered to be accurate. Look at Aristotle's works, coming from a mere five manuscripts. Would you dare question the validity of these historical writers? Never! If, in contrast, you compare the number of manuscripts of The New Testament alone, there are over twenty-thousand! Second to the New Testament is the Illiad with about 640 manuscripts.
Note* Here, manuscripts are refereing to original documents.
More evidence exists proving the reliability of the Bible, than any ten works of historical literature combined.
I could go on if you would like...
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Evolution has come into many different conflicts with several beliefs. That's why it is not true. If it were indeed fact, then everyone would surely believe it. Everyone believes there is H2O in the atmosphere right? Of course! Because it is completely and utterly true.
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I have attached a report I did on this subject... read it, and then tell me what flaws you find.
I assure you my documentation is historically correct, though feel free to google it as you say.
I assure you my documentation is historically correct, though feel free to google it as you say.
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First off, I want to say that I will not partake in this discussion, as it will only breed a flame war. However, I will point out some fallacies brought out on both sides.
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Evolution- it was proposed by one man, but was based on the ideas of a vast number. It was never intended to challenge religion.
Big Bang- This is a theory that proposes how the universe came to what it is today, but it does not propose how everything came into being.
"Creationism, however, is obviously proved."
Ignorance. To build on your earlier argument, neither side can be proven.
Again, ignorance is widespread here.
"A theory is a scientific hypothesis that has been tested thousands of times, and has been proven true every single time."
Nope, completely wrong. NO theory has been proven true in every instance. Not even gravity (look up Born-Einstein Condensate if you don't believe me). And as you said yourself, theories cannot be proven.
"As for the bible, it is not literal... and not intended to be."
How do you know, and why are you so sure? (ignorance).
" There are several things throughout the bible that have been proven false (the age of the earth, for example)."
False. The Bible never stated the age of the Earth--rather, it was something calculated from a Bishop from England during the Middle Ages.
"Since we know there is some deceit in the Bible, the entire book is subject to deception and therefore we can't trust any of it."
Full ignorance.
Evolution> true statement, it is a theory. However, it is not a theory of 1 man alone. And like I said earlier, neither side has been proven.
Again, ignorance.
PLEASE, NO IGNORANCE.
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Originally Posted by christina>you
Evolution - humans evolved from lower life forms and turned into what they are today according to a theory made from a single man named Charles Darwin.
The Big Bang - the world was created by a cosmic explosion that pushed matter into all different directions and somehow created the universe.
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Creationism, however, is obviously proved. Look at the world around you. Look at the mountains, the sky, the clouds, the sun, the life that was given to you. Why try to find answers? Why ask questions? When the answer is clear, it's right in front of your eyes. If you are looking for scientifically proven answers, it is hopeless. Evolution, the Big Bang, and even Creationism will never be proven by scientists.
Evolution- it was proposed by one man, but was based on the ideas of a vast number. It was never intended to challenge religion.
Big Bang- This is a theory that proposes how the universe came to what it is today, but it does not propose how everything came into being.
"Creationism, however, is obviously proved."
Ignorance. To build on your earlier argument, neither side can be proven.
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Originally Posted by joshSCH
First off, Darwin’s theory of evolution is just that- a theory. But do any of you know what a theory is? A theory is a scientific hypothesis that has been tested thousands of times, and has been proven true every single time. Evolution is fact, and whoever denies this is a blind fool.
As for the bible, it is not literal... and not intended to be. There are several things throughout the bible that have been proven false (the age of the earth, for example). The Bible is simply a tool in which the ideas of Christianity are told through parables. Since we know there is some deceit in the Bible, the entire book is subject to deception and therefore we can't trust any of it.
Again, ignorance is widespread here.
"A theory is a scientific hypothesis that has been tested thousands of times, and has been proven true every single time."
Nope, completely wrong. NO theory has been proven true in every instance. Not even gravity (look up Born-Einstein Condensate if you don't believe me). And as you said yourself, theories cannot be proven.
"As for the bible, it is not literal... and not intended to be."
How do you know, and why are you so sure? (ignorance).
" There are several things throughout the bible that have been proven false (the age of the earth, for example)."
False. The Bible never stated the age of the Earth--rather, it was something calculated from a Bishop from England during the Middle Ages.
"Since we know there is some deceit in the Bible, the entire book is subject to deception and therefore we can't trust any of it."
Full ignorance.
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Originally Posted by christina>you
You are wrong my friend.
Evolution has NOT been proven true as fact. It was a theory that came from one man's head, Charles Darwin. But how can you deny something that has been proven since the beginning?
Evolution> true statement, it is a theory. However, it is not a theory of 1 man alone. And like I said earlier, neither side has been proven.
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Actually, It is scientific FACT. All theories are pretty much fact,
Again, ignorance.
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haha... testing evolution can involve many scientific test that do not involve any magical monks, as you say. DNA testing.. such as the remarkable closeness in DNA among different species (Human and chimpanzee DNA is very similar, off by only 2%).. mapping the human genome.. and many other tests, simply research it yourself and you will find them.
How does the Iliad, Galic Wars, or anything you just mentioned have anything to do with the bible? And anyways, Aristotle and many others who published scientific thoughts and explanations during this period ended up publishing explanations that were in fact untrue. um, after 22,000 manuscripts don't you think some of the information may have been misinterpreted or written incorrectly or slightly exaggerated? lol...
How does the Iliad, Galic Wars, or anything you just mentioned have anything to do with the bible? And anyways, Aristotle and many others who published scientific thoughts and explanations during this period ended up publishing explanations that were in fact untrue. um, after 22,000 manuscripts don't you think some of the information may have been misinterpreted or written incorrectly or slightly exaggerated? lol...
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You should probably google that one.. did you read it correctly? He was showing how the Bible is proven relevant by using those renowned books as evidence... maybe you should re-read the post.
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