Yes MS made Xenix back in like the 80s. It was a licenced version of UNIX.
(they paid $$$ to at&T in order tomake it based on System V)

And MS are free to use BSD as they wish. All it says is :

>I hate graphical effects.
Yep, that's a great way to objectively compare operating systems.

>So? Non-open source software is immoral and wrong. (that doesn't mean
>I don't use it.. ;-) Non-open source software hurts the community, the
>country, and the world.
I can't properly respond to this without getting an infraction.

>I also said that linux was unstable, you apparently did not feel you had to comment about that
I also didn't repeat myself on other points, like easy to program with, or against choice. But apparently you felt you had to put some kind of conspiracy theory spin on my intentions.

>How are windows and mac pro choice?
I'm not willing to debate that with you. You're obviously an open source zealot, you have strong opinions about subjective topics and use them as if they were facts, and I'm not interested in that kind of discussion.

>With windows if you want a library its 1) really hard to get 2) its really hard to make it work.
Wow. You wouldn't last ten seconds on a debate team. "One command" versus "really hard" doesn't constitute a convincing argument in any technical forum.

>I don't feel like that is a fair statement
The world isn't fair. Deal with it.

>just because I was not convinced by your argument (or lack there of)
>does not mean that I have made up my mind on the subject
Wrong. You've clearly done enough research to know what you're talking about. It's unlikely that someone will bring up a groundbreaking feature that astounds you enough to buy a Mac. If you still need to be convinced, then you've already made up your mind. QED.

And of course, my argument was that is Windows is good enough, and Mac clearly has benefits, having both at the same time is a good thing. Though I wouldn't recommend you do that unless you already plan to get a new computer. Throwing away your current Windows box just to get a Mac so that you can run windows on it is silly.

>You wouldn't last ten seconds on a debate team.
That sounds like hypocrisy to me. You are the one refusing to debate any of my comments with lame statements like " I'm not willing to debate that with you." and " I can't properly respond to this without getting an infraction." I suspect it has more to with the fact that you cant find anything wrong with open source software than anything else.

>With windows if you want a library its 1) really hard to get 2) its really hard to make it work.

ok fine ill revise what I said and give a personal example.

windows experience:
When I was a windows user I was programming with dev-cpp. I was happy for a while but than I wanted to start graphical programming. So I found out there was a borland library called graphics.h that I could use to start graphical programming. So I followed the tutorial on how to use this library in dev-cpp. Needless to say, I could not make it work. I also tried to get SDL to work, but I could not.

linux experience:
I wanted to get into graphical programming on linux with SDL. So I just type in pacman -S SDL . Now I have SDL! Now I can program with SDL! No need to fiddle with anything!

Gee. Calm down people.

My (balanced) views on operating systems

Macs are nice and easy for beginners (but Vista is catching up with OSX on that front) but are pricey and have limited upgradablity.

Windows is a general all rounder. Yeah it crashes and gets viruses but it supports 99% of all modern hardware and software and is a lot less restrictive than OSX

Linux. Its free in mentality and usually in price. More stable than windows and better for older hardware or Power users (servers, developers) but a pain in the ass for the regular desktop user to set up.

BSD. Even more cryptic than linux. Not for the everyday user BUT is extremely stable and can use both its own Ports system as well as running most linux apps.

> My (balanced) views on operating systems
lol
I agree BSD is superior in almost everyway to linux except hardware support but I really do not feel like compiling my own software.

Ports for BSD is very like Portage is for Gentoo

I agree with Jbennet completely, very well put; And I also second the "calm down" statement, this is suppose to be a discussion, and i think it might be getting a bit to heated. There is really not a need to fall back onto the Message board habit of "counter attack through 2 words" which I am sure we are all aware of.

ha, Vista makes me angry, I never understood why they came out with that. It was like here, people seem to like MAC OSX and we added a bunch for security features that should have been released in patches for XP; now give me $200 bucks.

Immoral, no.. open source is great for the users.. but how are programmers supposed to make a living when everything is open source? We do need non-open source software so people can make a living.. Besides, it isn't hard to illegally download and use software instead of paying for it..


I agree. I would also agree that MACs are better for video and graphics (South Park is made on a MAC). However, the fact of the matter is Microsoft is a lot more compatible than MACs.. How much software/hardware is available for PCs, but not MACs? TONS! The PC is the computer of choice, and the most popular by a long shot. How much software/hardware is only available for MACs? Uh, not much.. Besides, do you think Microsoft cares if it loses home users to apple? Not really.. Microsoft OWNS the business industry.. Almost every business in America uses PCs.. or linux servers..


Vista is a huge jump from XP. It is like the huge step to XP. Microsoft completely reprogrammed their OS (all previous versions of Windows still had programs and components from other Windows versions even if they were no longer used). However, people are happy with XP, and not many people will switch to Vista for a while..

Yeah, also IMHO vista is great for new users but its too steep a change for people who have gotten used to XP. Im an XP power user but i must admit that i know absolutely nothing about vista.

I like my idea of a Unix based Windows.