>None of those languages except Forth existed when I learned to program.
I'm sorry, I handn't realized that was a requirement. :rolleyes: I didn't list any of yours because I didn't find them particularly interesting, with the exception of Lisp and its derivatives.

I do. Haven't used it much (no opportunity really, working fulltime on Java development and studying for Sun certification, plus keeping up with developments) but it's a nice language (and a decent Java binding too, albeit outdated compared to the standalone version).

Hi everyone,

NavyBlue you said "study java or continue my MFC????????????????????"

My opinion learn C/C++ but forget the MFC part. There are a lot of ide's that support this. Go to www.freebyte.com and you will find a lot of C/C++ compilers free of MFC.
After learning you can easily learn java as its quite similar.

jwenting you said "is that your claim that C++ isn't versatile is complete and utter
nonsense"

Have you ever tried to built a print preview using C/C++ ? Let me guess you simply used the SDI/MDI interfaces provided by the MFC. Am i right?

Narue you said "to learn a language and you hate it then you've just sold yourself
short"

This coming from a card carrying java hater is a real surprise. You guys should really read Narue's blog on java.

Here is the link to Narue's blog


http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/blog17893.html


Vegaseat you said "I liked Python as a TV show, but is there anybody out there that
likes it as a language"

Actually i do like python but it gets more interesting when you start using it together with with tkinter. It's really good.

Chainsaw you said "I haven't heard much talk about LISP or PROLOG here"

Well prolog is more of a boolean language and people tend to use it more for PLC's now
but even now OMRON have taken over that and as for lisp, i still can't figure out the language so i can't comment on it.

Narue you also said "I'm sorry, I handn't realized that was a requirement" referring to forth

As for Forth it is also known as the hacker's language. You can really write nasty hacking programs with that language. It really amazes me to see that Forth was not so popular as a language to solve problems but when came to hacking it was number one.

As for chainsaw - did you have a traumatic childhood??

There is another fantastic language out there called tcl and seems pretty good. You guys should really try it.

Before i end my post let me let me advice you guys not to be jack of all trades and master of none

Yours Sincerely

Richard West

>This coming from a card carrying java hater is a real surprise.
What? It's a surprise that I hate a language yet still use it and recommend it? I'm not so foolish as to be unable to look past my own opinions, unlike some people I won't name.

>You guys should really read Narue's blog on java.
You should stop ignoring things that don't fit into your own conclusions. If you read all of my blogs, you'll see that I don't have as much of a problem with the latest version of Java. A lot of the non-fundamental issues were addressed, and that pleases me. But you wouldn't understand because you've already tagged me as a person like yourself that doesn't have an open mind and never changes their opinion in light of new information.

>Narue you also said "I'm sorry, I handn't realized that was a requirement" referring to forth
I wasn't referring to Forth. Try reading for comprehension sometime.

>As for Forth it is also known as the hacker's language. <snip silly comments>
Odd, I've been in the Forth community for some time now and I have yet to hear that. Maybe you're just trying to fake your way out of not knowing something.

>let me let me advice you guys not to be jack of all trades and master of none
Yet another wonderful suggestion from the woefully misinformed. There's no point in arguing why this recommendation is stupid, you won't ever get it, so I won't bother.

I don't use MFC
I've done it using ObjectWindows though.
Can't say it was much harder than using Java...

But then I specialise in serverside background processes and web applications which don't do many printer previews and don't do any MFC or Swing at all

The only troubled one here seems to be you. You're the only one after all who can't even respect that others don't share your opinion as well as being the only one whose opinion is as narrow as yours seems to be.

Don't worry. We've enough experience to be master at at least one technology (and usually more than one) and still have knowledge of several others...

Hi everyone,

Narue you said "Odd, I've been in the Forth community for some time now and I have yet to hear that. Maybe you're just trying to fake your way out of not knowing something."

Now see the below thread(the one on forth").There is a forth tutorial there for those that want to read about it.

http://www.mnw.net/akelly/tutor.html

Maybe Narue you should go back to that Forth community and learn more about the language befor commenting about it - only a suggestion

This is also an interesting thread on forth but do scroll to the bottom part on the C language part

http://www.phact.org/e/forth.htm

jwneting you said "You're the only one after all who can't even respect that others don't share your opinion as well as being the only one whose opinion is as narrow as yours seems to be."

Oh come on you know that's not true but well that's your opinion and you have a right to it

Yours Sincerely

Richard West

>There is a forth tutorial there for those that want to read about it.
I wouldn't recommend it. Try this instead. Nor would I or any other Forth users call it a "hacker's language". You're just an ignorant fool.

>do scroll to the bottom part on the C language part
I'm not even going to dignify your idiocy with a response. Clearly you're now not even trying to continue a reasonable debate, you're just sniping at us personally and everything that isn't Java. Go away, troll.

Okay, let's let this thread fall to the depths of oblivion. I think we've debated this argument to its reasonable conclusion....