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Originally Posted by TheNNS 
that was a pretty lame comment, lardmeister. A computer science major, going out of college will start at an average salary of 70,000 a year, with a BS. Master and a PhD will get $100,000 to $120,000 a year. Even lawyers don't start out at that, so how will you competing against programmers in india? how much to they make like $5 an hour?
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you know, that's taking advantage of them. And it's true many companies do hire a lot of programmers from abroad, but there's something about hiring a programmer here. I don't know, but there is a demand for computer scientists now.
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>Well, the day is still young.
This is true. Maybe TkTkorrovi will decide to come back later this evening. Or Mister C from cprogramming.com will make an appearance shortly and try to debate the intricacies of undefined behavior with me. But until then, you hold the crown.
>What makes you the expert and what stuff are you on?
The expert on what? Insulting technical professionals, Indians, and Chinese? Your statement lacked the detailed information necessary to keep it from being a bigoted flame.
>Why do you old folks always have to insult us young folks?
By young and old I'll assume you mean how long we've been on Daniweb. To answer that, I'm an equal opportunist. I'll insult whomever deserves it, regardless of seniority or station. Dani can verify that, as she's been on the receiving end of my sharp tongue once or twice.
>My point, why would an employer keep hiring folks at such inflated pay levels, if he/she
>can get the same job done for $5 an hour in India? Distance wouldn't mean much on the internet.
And what makes you the expert? Apparently you haven't ever done any research on the real costs of outsourcing and fell prey to the hype. The upfront cost is almost always obscene, and after a few years, the final savings aren't nearly what you're suggesting. Sure, there are savings if it's done right, but often companies end up losing those savings in support and maintenance costs. I've seen quite a few ventures end up spending more by outsourcing than if they paid those "inflated" salaries for local resources.
So before you shoot your mouth off, maybe you should do some reading.
This is true. Maybe TkTkorrovi will decide to come back later this evening. Or Mister C from cprogramming.com will make an appearance shortly and try to debate the intricacies of undefined behavior with me. But until then, you hold the crown.
>What makes you the expert and what stuff are you on?
The expert on what? Insulting technical professionals, Indians, and Chinese? Your statement lacked the detailed information necessary to keep it from being a bigoted flame.
>Why do you old folks always have to insult us young folks?
By young and old I'll assume you mean how long we've been on Daniweb. To answer that, I'm an equal opportunist. I'll insult whomever deserves it, regardless of seniority or station. Dani can verify that, as she's been on the receiving end of my sharp tongue once or twice.
>My point, why would an employer keep hiring folks at such inflated pay levels, if he/she
>can get the same job done for $5 an hour in India? Distance wouldn't mean much on the internet.
And what makes you the expert? Apparently you haven't ever done any research on the real costs of outsourcing and fell prey to the hype. The upfront cost is almost always obscene, and after a few years, the final savings aren't nearly what you're suggesting. Sure, there are savings if it's done right, but often companies end up losing those savings in support and maintenance costs. I've seen quite a few ventures end up spending more by outsourcing than if they paid those "inflated" salaries for local resources.
So before you shoot your mouth off, maybe you should do some reading.
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Originally Posted by Lardmeister
I know this is a little late, but if you live in the US, switch to law and join the money making crowd. In your present technical field you will always be just a peon competing with low paid labor from India or China.
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I always like to go by something one of my favorite teachers said to me; if you do what you love you'll never work a day in your life. If computers is what someone is interested in, you think they would rather begin a career in law for a few extra bucks? I wouldn't.
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The surplus in attorneys is ridiculous right now. My Economics teacher has a degree in law and said he is making more as a college professor working 20 hours a week, 30 weeks a year than if he were working as an attorney 40hr/week 50weeks/yr. That says something.
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Originally Posted by Lardmeister
I know this is a little late, but if you live in the US, switch to law and join the money making crowd. In your present technical field you will always be just a peon competing with low paid labor from India or China.
I don't accept change. I don't deserve to live.
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SOS is right! You can find peons in every field of endeavour. That goes from a farmer, teacher, soldier, priest, scientist all the way to a country's leader.
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@Duki:
My dad's a lawyer, he enjoys it and is doing very well!
BTW, he is still chuckling about naru's comment about her sharp womanly tongue!
My dad's a lawyer, he enjoys it and is doing very well!
BTW, he is still chuckling about naru's comment about her sharp womanly tongue!
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Oh boy... For a second, I was just checking the Topic Title to see if this was the same one I posted earlier. I never imagined a simple "What subject to choose?" question would lead to a big debate. 
Anyways, I don't think I have the right experience to comment on anything but given a choice to choose between something that I love and something in which I can make lots of money, I would choose something that I love and master that to make lots of money in it. I simply don't see a life in seeing myself working in a field that I don't like. I am not saying I don't like law or something but well, I've been for years in computers and technology that it seems hard to let go of everything just to make a few extra bucks. I'd say there are pros and cons for every field out there. If you get more money, maybe you're taking more stress unless you are some really exceptional genius who can solve problems in seconds
Anyways, I don't think I have the right experience to comment on anything but given a choice to choose between something that I love and something in which I can make lots of money, I would choose something that I love and master that to make lots of money in it. I simply don't see a life in seeing myself working in a field that I don't like. I am not saying I don't like law or something but well, I've been for years in computers and technology that it seems hard to let go of everything just to make a few extra bucks. I'd say there are pros and cons for every field out there. If you get more money, maybe you're taking more stress unless you are some really exceptional genius who can solve problems in seconds
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Originally Posted by purifier
Oh boy... For a second, I was just checking the Topic Title to see if this was the same one I posted earlier. I never imagined a simple "What subject to choose?" question would lead to a big debate.
Anyways, I don't think I have the right experience to comment on anything but given a choice to choose between something that I love and something in which I can make lots of money, I would choose something that I love and master that to make lots of money in it. I simply don't see a life in seeing myself working in a field that I don't like. I am not saying I don't like law or something but well, I've been for years in computers and technology that it seems hard to let go of everything just to make a few extra bucks. I'd say there are pros and cons for every field out there. If you get more money, maybe you're taking more stress unless you are some really exceptional genius who can solve problems in seconds
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Originally Posted by Duki
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I always like to go by something one of my favorite teachers said to me; if you do what you love you'll never work a day in your life. If computers is what someone is interested in, you think they would rather begin a career in law for a few extra bucks? I wouldn't.
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The surplus in attorneys is ridiculous right now. My Economics teacher has a degree in law and said he is making more as a college professor working 20 hours a week, 30 weeks a year than if he were working as an attorney 40hr/week 50weeks/yr. That says something.
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