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Originally Posted by Salem 
Put this in your local paper, and see what happens...
"Wanted - psychic. You know who to call".
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Originally Posted by Salem
Put this in your local paper, and see what happens...
"Wanted - psychic. You know who to call".
Heh, would really freak you out if someone called though
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Originally Posted by joshSCH
In the 8th century AD, it predicted that "..white skinned bearded gods would arrive from across the sea on march 5, 1519." On that precise date, Cortez and his conquistadors arrived in the new world.
I upped my sanitary measures, up yours!
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Hey, I never said I believed it was true prophecy. In fact, as an atheist and a skeptic I bet 2012 will be like any other year. The notion of the end of the world in my lifetime is exciting, though
It's doubtful anything out of the ordinary will happen on this prophetic day, but not impossible...
It's doubtful anything out of the ordinary will happen on this prophetic day, but not impossible...
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Originally Posted by Lardmeister
The other evening I was visiting my great grandpapa in the old folks home. The TV was running, and we both got captivated by a program on the History channel. It talked about the Mayan calendar and that it abruptly ends in 2012. The winter solstice to be exact.
That is the time when several mayor celestial bodies align in an unusual concert. Some astronomers say that it might trigger a shift of the earth's magnetic poles, a change in the core rotation, associated with major earthquakes and gigantic vulcanic erruptions.
Has anyone else seen this program or read about the event?
I am not by any means a religious fanatic, I am a sinner just like most of us, but in my saner moments when I think a little deeper about these matters, I really believe we have good reason to be afraid.
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Why afraid?
Anxious maybe? But afraid?
It's daunting to consider that the end of the world is in our lifetime (I have long since accepted that notion), but if you do believe in God you shouldn't be afraid. Because that means there is existence for you even after this earth collapses into itself.
If I were an athiest I think I would be afraid. Because then after that my existence would just cease. Do you know how dizzy the thought of that makes me?
Anxious maybe? But afraid?
It's daunting to consider that the end of the world is in our lifetime (I have long since accepted that notion), but if you do believe in God you shouldn't be afraid. Because that means there is existence for you even after this earth collapses into itself.
If I were an athiest I think I would be afraid. Because then after that my existence would just cease. Do you know how dizzy the thought of that makes me?
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Did you worry about your non-existence before you were born?
When your time is up, choose one of the following sentences which sums up your life.
The world is a better place because you lived (he will be missed).
The world is a better place because you are now dead (good riddance).
> but if you do believe in God you shouldn't be afraid
Should you be afraid if you choose the wrong one?
I mean, a roulette table with several thousand squares, and you've got to risk it all on one square - man, I'd be bricking it.
Do gods still exist if there is no one to believe in them?
I'm going to make a guess that all the extinct religions (see, evolution applies to religions as well - who knew) are extinct because they foretold "the end", and in due course, absolutely nothing happened. Having played their last card, the acolytes lost their last grip on the populace.
The only thing I'm really worried about is the US electing another religious zealot who's first term in office will end in 2012. Propelled by prophecy, and the nukes to make it happen - not good.
"Reincarnation is making a come-back"
When your time is up, choose one of the following sentences which sums up your life.
The world is a better place because you lived (he will be missed).
The world is a better place because you are now dead (good riddance).
> but if you do believe in God you shouldn't be afraid
Should you be afraid if you choose the wrong one?
I mean, a roulette table with several thousand squares, and you've got to risk it all on one square - man, I'd be bricking it.
Do gods still exist if there is no one to believe in them?
I'm going to make a guess that all the extinct religions (see, evolution applies to religions as well - who knew) are extinct because they foretold "the end", and in due course, absolutely nothing happened. Having played their last card, the acolytes lost their last grip on the populace.
The only thing I'm really worried about is the US electing another religious zealot who's first term in office will end in 2012. Propelled by prophecy, and the nukes to make it happen - not good.
"Reincarnation is making a come-back"
If you dance barefoot on the broken glass of undefined behaviour, you've got to expect the occasional cut.
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Do not PM me for help; You'll be ignored, or told to learn to read.
Do not ask me if I'm muslim - I'm not. Nor do I care about yours or anyone else's mysticism. Religion is a matrix, take the RED PILL.
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Now now, you completely missed my point.
I wasn't focusing on whether or not I, or anyone else, chose the right God.
What I was trying to say (and still am) is that as someone who truly believes in their religion and a better place after the destruction of earth, you would have nothing to fear about the end of the world, because well all other scenarios mean squash to you. Really, just think along that perspective.
Also I certainly did not think about my existence before I was born, but I do now. The thought that I would just stop existing would scare me, but that is not what I believe. It is because I believe that I would exist afterward in a better place, that the thought of having that taken away makes me sort of swoon. I'm not sure if you 100% understand that but that's just how I'm thinking about it.
I wasn't focusing on whether or not I, or anyone else, chose the right God.
What I was trying to say (and still am) is that as someone who truly believes in their religion and a better place after the destruction of earth, you would have nothing to fear about the end of the world, because well all other scenarios mean squash to you. Really, just think along that perspective.
Also I certainly did not think about my existence before I was born, but I do now. The thought that I would just stop existing would scare me, but that is not what I believe. It is because I believe that I would exist afterward in a better place, that the thought of having that taken away makes me sort of swoon. I'm not sure if you 100% understand that but that's just how I'm thinking about it.
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Originally Posted by Salem
Did you worry about your non-existence before you were born?
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Originally Posted by Salem
When your time is up, choose one of the following sentences which sums up your life.
The world is a better place because you lived (he will be missed).
The world is a better place because you are now dead (good riddance).
Who's getting to speak? My friends and family, or those who hated me while I was alive? I'm not well-enough known, nor do I ever plan to be well enough known, that there will be neutral parties in that equation.
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Originally Posted by Salem
Should you be afraid if you choose the wrong one?
I mean, a roulette table with several thousand squares, and you've got to risk it all on one square - man, I'd be bricking it.
Do gods still exist if there is no one to believe in them?
Should you be afraid if you choose the wrong one? Given that all major religions proclaiming deities (Buddhism, if I recall correctly, doesn't properly have a 'deity', just a founder/leader/example) [note: example, not exhaustive list] tend to declare eternal damnation/destruction for those who don't follow, then yeah, I'd say you should be afraid. So pick wisely.
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Originally Posted by Salem
Do gods still exist if there is no one to believe in them?
If not, then did they ever exist in the first place? Anything real exists regardless of being believed in; anything unreal doesn't exist even if believed in.
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Originally Posted by Salem
I'm going to make a guess that all the extinct religions (see, evolution applies to religions as well - who knew) are extinct because they foretold "the end", and in due course, absolutely nothing happened. Having played their last card, the acolytes lost their last grip on the populace.
Not that likely; in many cases, I would suspect that an external competitor came in and won converts, either by persuasion or by force.
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Originally Posted by Salem
The only thing I'm really worried about is the US electing another religious zealot who's first term in office will end in 2012. Propelled by prophecy, and the nukes to make it happen - not good.
You mean a rehash of the arguments raised during the Reagan years? I believe that at one point, there were reporters actually trying to question him on his stance towards 'Nuclear Armaggedon' because of his faith.
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Originally Posted by Salem
"Reincarnation is making a come-back"
Bad pun. And I consider myself a collector of bad puns.
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Originally Posted by scru
If I were an athiest I think I would be afraid. Because then after that my existence would just cease. Do you know how dizzy the thought of that makes me?
As an atheist, why should I fear the end of existence more than any other? Because I have no delusions of "something better" to look forward to after death? Should I regret the lack of what I feel are false hopes and mollifications? It can't be changed - being human is 100% fatal. You are going to die. Get used to it. If anything, you are obviously much more afraid than the atheist, as you cannot even think about facing the end of existence without a promise that something better awaits beyond it.
Live your life now as best you may. Do what is right for the sake of it being right, not just for marks on some after-death scorecard towards imagined rewards. If you look at the time you have on earth as all that you're going to get, you might just be more inclined to value it more and do something worthwhile with it. On the other hand, if you think of it as a waiting and evaluation period that you must endure to reach that "something better", you might just find yourself sorely disappointed if you are wrong.
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