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Re: 2012, the End of the World?

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So is the world ending then or what?
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Re: 2012, the End of the World?

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So is the world ending then or what?

Yes.
We just have to argue out the timetable. This might take awhile.
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Re: 2012, the End of the World?

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As an atheist, why should I fear the end of existence more than any other? Because I have no delusions of "something better" to look forward to after death?

How about because of the probable consequences if you have chosen incorrectly in this issue?

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Should I regret the lack of what I feel are false hopes and mollifications? It can't be changed - being human is 100% fatal. You are going to die. Get used to it.

Should you regret the lack? Probably not; if you're wrong, you'll be regretting them enough in the end.

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If anything, you are obviously much more afraid than the atheist, as you cannot even think about facing the end of existence without a promise that something better awaits beyond it.

Are you sure that's fear? I'd call it simply expectation, possibly eager expectation.

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Live your life now as best you may. Do what is right for the sake of it being right, not just for marks on some after-death scorecard towards imagined rewards.

And how do you determine what is right in the first place? Pretty much every version of right/wrong I've seen stems from religious beliefs.

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If you look at the time you have on earth as all that you're going to get, you might just be more inclined to value it more and do something worthwhile with it. On the other hand, if you think of it as a waiting and evaluation period that you must endure to reach that "something better", you might just find yourself sorely disappointed if you are wrong.

To your first part: James 2, specifically verses 17-26.

To your second part: I reflect your own words toward you. "You might just find yourself sorely disappointed if you are wrong."
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Re: 2012, the End of the World?

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How about because of the probable consequences if you have chosen incorrectly in this issue?
No different than the consequences if you have chosen incorrectly. I've made my peace with that.

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Should you regret the lack? Probably not; if you're wrong, you'll be regretting them enough in the end.
If I get caught in a rain storm without an umbrella I will get wet and regret not having brought one. Should I never leave my house without an umbrella?
If I were to be struck by lightning in such a storm, certainly I would regret leaving my house to go out. Should I never leave my house for fear of a storm?
Of course not. We all make decisions weighing the risks as they are known to us. Given that I believe the risks you suggest are unfounded speculation, I can't see as how dwelling upon them is worth the time.

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Are you sure that's fear? I'd call it simply expectation, possibly eager expectation.
Scru specifically said "Because then after that my existence would just cease. Do you know how dizzy the thought of that makes me?". To me, that sounds an awful lot like fear and it was his statement that I was addressing. It was not an empirical statement per se.

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And how do you determine what is right in the first place? Pretty much every version of right/wrong I've seen stems from religious beliefs.
I do not believe that absence of religion precludes morality. Religion has been the basis for many prescriptions of morality, but it is not limited to such frameworks. These two essays discuss it much further than I have the time to if you care to read them:
http://www.spectacle.org/1095/moral.html
http://www.spectacle.org/1299/moral.html

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To your first part: James 2, specifically verses 17-26.
To your second part: I reflect your own words toward you. "You might just find yourself sorely disappointed if you are wrong."
I did not state that religion teaches the "just wait and believe" part specifically, but some would seem to act as if it did. My advice was merely that one shouldn't neglect the value of their living time simply because they have expectations beyond death. Doing that is foolish regardless of ones beliefs about the hereafter.
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Re: 2012, the End of the World?

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EnderX, religious intolerance might cause the end of the world, but we are not quite there yet!
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Re: 2012, the End of the World?

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I still think it's the Antichrist that causes the end of the world as we know it! Remember, the Antichrist could be female.
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Could be a major solar flare that blows away the earth's atmosphere. The sun is a pretty violent beast!
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Re: 2012, the End of the World?

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Could be ultra-high energy cosmic rays, sub-atomic matter that breaks free just before stars are gobbled up by the gravitational pull of black holes. A finding published in the journal Science by Alexander Kusenko, a professor of physics and astronomy at the University of California, Los Angeles. He worked on the study with physicists and astronomers from 17 countries.
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Re: 2012, the End of the World?

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"religious intolerance might cause the end of the world" I say remove the word 'intolerance' and change it to "Religion might cause the end of the world."
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Re: 2012, the End of the World?

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The world is not going to end in year 2012. However, there is a cool album titled "2112" by the band Rush.
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