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St. Vincent doesn't have illegal immigrants.
Everybody wants to LEAVE St. Vincent!
You should be flattered that so many people are desperate to come to your country, that they would risk their lives and voyage over miles of sea in a stupid little boat (Cubans).
Don't get me wrong; I could definitely see where the problems are, but you have to think of ways to fix them without being so brute about the whole thing.
Here's my take: The mexicans love your country so much more than their own that they will risk so much to get across your border and work for near nothing doing some of the things that most of you wouldn't think twice about doing.
Maybe things really suck in Mexico.
Maybe you should think about doing something about that. And again, not to strawman anybody, but for those who might think it's not their problem; it is. We are all human beings. We have to look out for one another, because America has a lot of enemies and something may happen--who will you turn to then?
Everybody wants to LEAVE St. Vincent!
You should be flattered that so many people are desperate to come to your country, that they would risk their lives and voyage over miles of sea in a stupid little boat (Cubans).
Don't get me wrong; I could definitely see where the problems are, but you have to think of ways to fix them without being so brute about the whole thing.
Here's my take: The mexicans love your country so much more than their own that they will risk so much to get across your border and work for near nothing doing some of the things that most of you wouldn't think twice about doing.
Maybe things really suck in Mexico.
Maybe you should think about doing something about that. And again, not to strawman anybody, but for those who might think it's not their problem; it is. We are all human beings. We have to look out for one another, because America has a lot of enemies and something may happen--who will you turn to then?
Last edited by scru; Nov 4th, 2007 at 8:02 pm.
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Regardless of the conditions in Mexico or elsewhere, there is a legal process for emigrating to the US. If they intentionally violate the system that is in place, they are criminals and should be treated as such. Maybe I'm a mean-hearted *******, but life ain't fair. Human nature forbids that.
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Originally Posted by Lardmeister 
My friends in Mexico tell me that this is the way they get taught about Mexican history. In 1848 the US stole about half the territory of Mexico (California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, half of Texas) when the Mexicans were still reeling from their war of independence from Spain.
I guess war booty is war booty, and you shouldn't cry over spilled milk. I just thought it would be interesting to let you know how the Mexicans feel deep down about coming across the border.
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Originally Posted by Infarction
Regardless of the conditions in Mexico or elsewhere, there is a legal process for emigrating to the US. If they intentionally violate the system that is in place, they are criminals and should be treated as such. Maybe I'm a mean-hearted *******, but life ain't fair. Human nature forbids that.
Last edited by joshSCH; Nov 4th, 2007 at 9:34 pm.
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their country is crap. Their government is corrupted, the police are corrupt, the economy is in shambles, people are dirt poor, and criminals run amok untouched
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How is that fair? My ancestors who came from Germany had a difficult time immigrating here.. but, they went through legally. Our current amnesty for illegals is not fair to the current U.S. citizens, and it sure as hell isn't fair to other immigrants who actually go through the legal process.
You ever seen a european get a green card? no? thats because its basically impossible, your system is too strict.
Last edited by jbennet; Nov 5th, 2007 at 3:05 am.
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Originally Posted by jbennet
You ever seen a european get a green card? no? thats because its basically impossible, your system is too strict.
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If USA is such a terrible country why is it that so many people try to get here? We have to make getting citizenship and green cards difficult because we don't have room to accommodate everyone on earth. We must take the Me First attitude in this case.
Don't PM me with questions -- you might get a nasty PM in response. If you have a question then post it in one of the forums.
Nobody is saying that you should accomodate everyone. I'm saying just the opposite:
Why not help make some of these places better places to be? One poster said it himself; mexico is crap.
Don't think that the rest of the world doesn't care about immigration; people are leaving our soils for greener grass and in many cases never look back. I'm sure the respective countries will be glad to help you get them to the aforementioned point.
Why not help make some of these places better places to be? One poster said it himself; mexico is crap.
Don't think that the rest of the world doesn't care about immigration; people are leaving our soils for greener grass and in many cases never look back. I'm sure the respective countries will be glad to help you get them to the aforementioned point.
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Most Mexican illegal immigrants don't jump over a tall border fence or walk miles throught the hot desert (that is just TV dramatic journalism), they simply drive to the US to visit friends/family and then stay.
I upped my sanitary measures, up yours!
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Originally Posted by scru
Nobody is saying that you should accomodate everyone. I'm saying just the opposite:
Why not help make some of these places better places to be? One poster said it himself; mexico is crap.
Don't think that the rest of the world doesn't care about immigration; people are leaving our soils for greener grass and in many cases never look back. I'm sure the respective countries will be glad to help you get them to the aforementioned point.
Seriously, if the US is trying to make the place better, then the US will be doing the work, and the other countries are likely to (note: likely to, not guaranteed to) simply let the US do so, without attempting to aid our efforts. Why should they, if the US is doing it for them?
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>It seems like once they arrive then it's like paradise.
in what way? they have to work so hard for everything, life is really hard fro them.
>yet they contribute nothing to society
they take all the jobs lazy americans don't want. they come here to work, and amercians are here to be lazy.
>Why the hell should we, the American taxpayers, pay for these criminals? It's wrong!
they are NOT CRIMINALS. they're looking for a better life in the land of opportunity.
>Why the hell should we, the American taxpayers, pay for these criminals? It's wrong!
and how the heck do you propose we do that?
>I am also tired of seeing mexicans parading about talking about how much better mexico is than America.. If you like it so damn much, then get the hell out of here!!
so you speak spanish too? i thought they didn't speak english. i've never heard a mexican say that.
about your story, how many americans do that? i've heard of so many people, non mexicans, hit and run. my friend was longboarding, got hit by a car, and was injured pretty bad. the car that hit him just took off.
Don't you think that's how the native americans felt when we invaded their lands? i've always thought that this was the land of opportunity, but i guess it's canada. i know there are some illegal immigrants that are criminals, and shouldn't be here, but a lot of them are just looking for a better life, for jobs, and they actually help the economy. because they're illegal, farm owners can pay them less than minimum wage, which allows cheaper labor. and a lot of them work here a few years and go back to their countries, so it's not like they'll be permanent residents.
if i were you josh, i'd shut up and put myself in their shoes.
in what way? they have to work so hard for everything, life is really hard fro them.
>yet they contribute nothing to society
they take all the jobs lazy americans don't want. they come here to work, and amercians are here to be lazy.
>Why the hell should we, the American taxpayers, pay for these criminals? It's wrong!
they are NOT CRIMINALS. they're looking for a better life in the land of opportunity.
>Why the hell should we, the American taxpayers, pay for these criminals? It's wrong!
and how the heck do you propose we do that?
>I am also tired of seeing mexicans parading about talking about how much better mexico is than America.. If you like it so damn much, then get the hell out of here!!
so you speak spanish too? i thought they didn't speak english. i've never heard a mexican say that.
about your story, how many americans do that? i've heard of so many people, non mexicans, hit and run. my friend was longboarding, got hit by a car, and was injured pretty bad. the car that hit him just took off.
Don't you think that's how the native americans felt when we invaded their lands? i've always thought that this was the land of opportunity, but i guess it's canada. i know there are some illegal immigrants that are criminals, and shouldn't be here, but a lot of them are just looking for a better life, for jobs, and they actually help the economy. because they're illegal, farm owners can pay them less than minimum wage, which allows cheaper labor. and a lot of them work here a few years and go back to their countries, so it's not like they'll be permanent residents.
if i were you josh, i'd shut up and put myself in their shoes.
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