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Microsoft,What did you say about Security Issues?

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Have Microsoft overstepped the Mark regarding Security issues, and may have produced a really dangerous one themselves? :o
Let me explain (rewind a bit)
Microsoft have started using a new download method on Broadband using the Broadband modem offline, while the Computer is running (and not logged in...)
I noticed this on the last Microsoft security update (at the scheduled time) which I logged off then returned later showing about 25% of the latest patches loaded on the yellow shield icon in the taskbar by the clock
I logged on later and checked again was up to 30% Thought may be "trickle loading" during idle periods (like SETI updates)?
I logged off again and this new warning message was displayed (after shutting down AOL) about Do Not turn the computer off while the updates were loading...
So Microsoft are accessing our computer regardless of being online or Not, so long as A) the BB connection is Hooked up and B) The computer is Running.

Very Clever Microsoft...
But with you banging the Drum hard over preventing Security breaches, this is a massive "Own Goal" that might backfire on you Big Time?! :o
What if somebody could emulate this method of moving data, Just 1 trojan would be moved by this method would get in theory onto ALL the connected BB computers connected up, not talking several dozen on a single ISP link, but perhaps several million collectively! Bypasses browser Maybe also Firewall security... Going back to Boot sector type viruses? :eek: :o
Historically Microsoft started the remote connection Link where you could take control of another computer on a 1 to 1 basis ... Now there are many clones (most of the Illegal kind)
all doing the same thing (some better than the Microsoft version)
I think Microsoft's Latest bit of "Cleverness" will bring down the Broadband Internet unless they take Immediate action to rectify this gaping Loophole. :eek:

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Re: Microsoft,What did you say about Security Issues?

I'm not sure what you're saying here, Answerpooler. The concept of broadband is that the PC is continually online whilst in operation. You've mentioned "shutting down AOL", but the actual connection of the PC to the modem must be disabled to have your system isolated. I've not had experience with AOL, but for other ISPs I've had experience with, their software does not completely disable the connection to the internet.

In fact, for the PC I'm logged in with at present, which is connected to ADSL via a gateway/router, there is not even an 'Internet connection' icon available for me to disable. I'd need to access the router and disable the connection, or else disable the LAN connection, for the PC to be disconnected from the internet.

Of course updates will download whilst I'm not using my email client or my web browser. All my programs can access the internet as well, should they need to. That's part of the concept of broadband internet - an 'always connected' PC which can extend its functionality by way of access to data elsewhere.
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Thanks Catweazle
I follow what you are saying (despite not being a tech person) But the question is a valid one... What if somebody learnt how to use this method? It would only take less than 5 minutes work to upload a nasty to all the "always on" computers
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Re: Microsoft,What did you say about Security Issues?

That is why, Answerpooler, if you have a Broadband connection you should always at least have the 'Internet connection firewall' enabled, preferably a more comprehensive Firewall program running, and ideally a hardware firewall sitting between your PC and the internet.

I personally, for ADSL, use a combination modem/router/firewall unit. They can be purchased for only a few dollars more than an ADSL ethernet modem, and anyone who has ADSL should be using one, regardless of whether they are networking PCs together or not! It's the safest way to be connected!
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