hello balge , thank you for the advice. im on a old emachine that needed validation from windows so i haVENT USED IT FOR ALONG TIME BUT SOMEHOW I CONNED MICRO INTO VALIDATING IT . OOPS CAPS THAT DAm a keyanyways my system still down bought system mechanic 8 for 20 bucks which has a recovery disk so now not sure which way to go but i think thats life in general when it comes to me