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Jul 5th, 2005

Re: Out with the old... or back to the old? HELP

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You moved from a Real PRocessor, to a budget processor, which is part of your problem.

You went from a P4 1.7 ghz processor with more cache, to an AMD Semperon Class (equivlant of a celeron in AMD's case) with less cache.

You would have been alot better off with a AMD XP or AMD 64, or even a P4 2.8

Yes, but what about what Cocnut Monkey said?

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A lower frequency it seems, but in case you didn't know, gigahertz isn't the main indicator of performance in CPUs anymore - it's the design of the core and how much work it can do per clock cycle.

That Sempron 2800+ there is based on the Athlon 64 - quite simply the fastest gaming CPU on the market. They've stripped the 64-bittiness and chopped some of the internal cache off, but it's still a capable CPU and easily surpasses your doddering 1.7Ghz P4.

The reality is I have already purchased this. My older mobo is not upwardly scalable and it wouldn't take more than a 2.4GHz, not much of an increase.

I will one day move up to the Athlon 64 as my budget allows. Until then I just want to get to playing BF2 (really the only game I'm playing).

So, that being said - do you know if a PCI express card will work in a standard PCI slot?

Thanks for helping a newbie out, I appreciate and respect all the opinions and information I'm getting here!

rs

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No, a PCI Express card will not fit in a PCI slot. They are both totally different. You would need another motherboard to get PCI-e.

You should just buy an AGP card for now and like you said, go to AMD 64 later and PCI-e at the same time. The 6600GT is better than X700 Pro and there is no AGP X700 anyway (dont think so).

EDIT: And BTW it would have been only about 10$ more for a athlon XP 2800+ instead (it has double the cache and it is 2.1 ghz. not same socket though)

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Yes, I am aware of all that fun jazz about processor speeds, but not only did you not gain a whole lot of speed, you didn't gain much raw power.

A AMD XP 2500+ would probally out preform you 2800+ semperon, regardless of clock speed, the 2500+ has a better cache, which means it works harder.

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Cool, so now I am switching focus... I'm gonna bite the bullet (use plastic) and get the Athlon64 3200+ and the 6600GT. You only live once, right? Thanks for all the input.

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Do make sure you have the motherboard to support the AMD 64 processor before you run off and buy one!

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Yeah, I just checked it out... thanks

AMD Athlon 64 3200+(CG,SledgeHammer,130nm,L2-512KB) 1600
- OK!

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Re: Out with the old... or back to the old? HELP

Quote originally posted by Zachery ...

You moved from a Real PRocessor, to a budget processor, which is part of your problem.

You went from a P4 1.7 ghz processor with more cache, to an AMD Semperon Class (equivlant of a celeron in AMD's case) with less cache.

I disagree Zachery - the Sempron is question may have less cache than other chips out there, but it does have the A64 core up its sleeve, giving it quite a bit of grunt, especially when compared to the rather ancient 1.7Ghz P4 from before (which, incidently, only has 256Kb of L2 cache

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As we can see here, a Sempron 2600 does a pretty good job in gaming (and overclocks like the clappers).

In the end however, it's the video card that you should really focus on! I would suggest reallocating money from the CPU replacement to something like a 6800GT.

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I disagree also. The initial Sempron releases were based on the Athlon XP core but had less cache. The current Sempron range, which replaces the earlier version, is based on the Athlon64 core and is considerably better.

Video card is the primary area of concern for 3D performance here, and as stated earlier I consider a 6600GT to be a minimum acceptable level of performance in today's world!

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UPDATE:

Until I decide what to do I have re-installed my old Asus P4T/P4 1.7GHz/1gb Rambus with my newer ATi 9250 256MB P.O.C. Miracle of Miracles... I can play BF2 without it freezing up

choppy at intense moments and not the smoothest of graphics, but I can live with it for now. I'm gonna save up (plastic's too close to max for comfort) for the 6600GT or better and then go with more processor down the road as the prices begin to drop.

Thanks again for all of the great info guys... good stuff.

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