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I'm pulling my hair with this one. I noticed my site in question has be cached by google, and with the analysis I made, my keyword prominence and density is better than the site on top of me. Why is that?? I'm ranked 12 or 13 and my SEO studio studies the content KW is better than the top 3 sites. Please help....
2nd part... this site was done before me, I took over, is there a chance that tage like this will get the site penalised??: <span style="display:none">

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Hidden text won't get you banned unless you are using it to manipulate the SERPs. Lots of content is hidden initially then shown upon an event (like a user clicking on a link or a dynamic navigational menu).

Keyword prominence and density is overrated. Don't spend too much time worrying about them. Especially with Google. You'll have far more luck improving your rankings with Google by getting more relevant links to your website. Make sure those links use anchor text with the keywords you hope to rank well for.
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You'll have far more luck improving your rankings with Google by getting more relevant links to your website. Make sure those links use anchor text with the keywords you hope to rank well for.
It requires no luck to displace a keyphrase competitor; when one decides to outclass them with better crafted content.

SEO strategies that seek externally to empower their content in order to increase web page rankings in the SERPs are not sustainable.

Linking strategists are such desperate opponents, dependant and starving … spare some importance for a blind SEO today ma’am, thank you very much … on their way to the results pages cemetery along with that little green bar they worship so much.

Links will once again return to their rightful places as basic web elements; friendly facilitators for a user experience. Joiner things, innocent Internet binders, never intended to stir such a foolhardy frenzy; toss them around like sprouting money pods hoping with luck to push the linear greenly up one more notch, just fodder for fanatical swine.

They will rise again, links, for the visitor next time. PR is an obsolete factor in the SERPs.
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Quote originally posted by canadafred ...
It requires no luck to displace a keyphrase competitor; when one decides to outclass them with better crafted content.

SEO strategies that seek externally to empower their content in order to increase web page rankings in the SERPs are not sustainable.

Linking strategists are such desperate opponents, dependant and starving … spare some importance for a blind SEO today ma’am, thank you very much … on their way to the results pages cemetery along with that little green bar they worship so much.

Links will once again return to their rightful places as basic web elements; friendly facilitators for a user experience. Joiner things, innocent Internet binders, never intended to stir such a foolhardy frenzy; toss them around like sprouting money pods hoping with luck to push the linear greenly up one more notch, just fodder for fanatical swine.

They will rise again, links, for the visitor next time. PR is an obsolete factor in the SERPs.
When it comes to Google, links matter. It is very cut and dry. I won't argue that content is king. I wholeheartedly preach that religiously (I've even done so in these forums several times already). But just do a search for "miserable failure" and the power of links in Google's algorithm is obvious.

If you want to rank well in Google today, and for the foreseeable future, you need to get incoming links to your pages from relevant sites with good anchor text. The content is king part comes in to play because sites with good content will naturally find it easier to acquire those links as webmasters are more likely to willingly link to, and even unilaterally link to, quality sites.

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PR is an obsolete factor in the SERPs.
I never mentioned PR. I mentioned relevant links and anchor text. Those two factors outweigh everything else in Google algorithm including PR.
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Not a good example due to its incredibly manipulated status and obscure nature. Try another one. I'll do this all night. Show me!
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Not a good example due to its incredibly manipulated status and obscure nature. Try another one. I'll do this all night. Show me!
That's the point. The page has nothing to do with that search phrase and yet ranks number 1. Why? Because in Google algorithm anchor text even supersedes the content on the page. Any page can rank number for any search term if it has enough inbound links with the right anchor text. That's a perfect example of links are important in SEO with Google.
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That's a perfect example of links are important in SEO with Google.
You have provided an example of a mutated experiment gone mainstream to become the #1 SEO secret ever. This deception is thanks to good marketing. As long as this perverted perception of fact permeates SEO strategies all over the world, the better ethical SEO experts become. So keep it up, keep going with this and convince as many short-cut seekers as you want, but they will get better visional in time, they will see better soon and they will look at those who have pushed this on them as SEO experts, my counterparts in a desecrated passion.

The obscure term has no meaning and is not in a competitive niche keyphrase market. If the keyphrase had any value whatsoever, you would have a position however weak.

In this case, pitiful as it is, anchor text is sufficient to drive it to #1 because of the keyphrase market conditions. If you think in a minute that I am going to allow you to pass this nonsense on unchecked, you have underestimated my constitution.

Try another example, not so blatantly useless, so I can more explain some of the hazards of this type of web site promotion expertise of begging others for undeserved importance.

Seeking externally for empowerment in any way is not a sustainable SEO strategy, in the real world. As a matter of fact, this type of ranking technique has very little to do with search engine optimization at all. It is rooted in the misguidance of powerful deceivers. The globe's a-frenzied for a piece of the apple pie.

Search engine manipulators, they’ll try anything to move that little green line up a notch, thinking it has some kind of god-given reward at 10. Such perpetuating nonsense.
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You seem to think that external factors are not a part of SEO. You are sorely mistaken. All of the major search engines use external factors, primarily links, in their ranking algorithms and for good reason. On page factors are under direct control of the webmaster and can be manipulated. Off page factors are not under the control of the webmaster and cannot be manipulated nearly as easily. This allows for a more "natural" way to determine a page's relevance.
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You seem to think that external factors are not a part of SEO. You are sorely mistaken. All of the major search engines use external factors, primarily links, in their ranking algorithms and for good reason. On page factors are under direct control of the webmaster and can be manipulated. Off page factors are not under the control of the webmaster and cannot be manipulated nearly as easily. This allows for a more "natural" way to determine a page's relevance.
I realize that external factors affect the rankings. In many cases that I come across in challenging SERPs, the leaders are there mostly due to external factors exclusively. The have no content of significance!

The best SEO is the one who begs for importance the most. Let's get real.

Continue this propogating deceit. The link angle is broken. Manipulators.
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Sounds like your real issue is with spammers.

Anyway, as long as links play an important factor in the search engines' algorithms, and they do now and will for quite some time, anyone remotely concerned with SEO will have to seek them to improve their rankings. Not to mention seeking incoming links goes beyond SEO. They're also great for bringing in traffic. So why wouldn't someone seek incoming links?
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