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> Bad incoming links can cause webpages not to earn search engine rewards.
Isn't this what Stymiee is saying?

In any case, regarding my recip link directory, I think I left out one important piece of information. All forum posts currently add rel=nofollow to external links. The link directory does not use rel=nofollow. Therefore, when talking about the site as a whole, the only links which don't use rel=nofollow are internal links, sponsored links, and links in the link directory.

How bad is this??? Does it make things look link farmy, even if the links in the directory are of a good quality?

Also, canadafred, if you are in the directory, you should check out what I did to it today. Made some changes
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I wouldn't worry about it. It's a big picture kind of thing and the big picture for Daniweb is very good.
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How bad is this??? Does it make things look link farmy, even if the links in the directory are of a good quality?

Also, canadafred, if you are in the directory, you should check out what I did to it today. Made some changes
Hey

I woke up this morning thinking that maybe I'll masquerade as a professional today. My metamorphoses lasted about an hour.

Your stuff doesn't look farmy at all. Yours is a quality directory with only relevant web sites linked backed and forth. It should pose no trouble at all. This is not of the completely useless and careless variety. This is not the stuff the search engines should penalize. Yours is good stuff.

So much time and money being spent creating trash compacters. Hope they are enjoying the moment of glory, some of them.

Ya, I like the changes, especially the snapshots. I like little snapshots like that because it makes it easier to pick out the ones that only want you to visit in hopes that maybe you will click out through an Ad. I spotted three or four right away. I detest it even more when they make these Ads look like they are actually part of the web site's content, just a couple of textual phrases between two other lines of text. I clicked on one the other day by mistake. I despise that. Either it is an Ad or it is not an Ad ... anyway that's another discussion.

I better try to get some work done today.

Later
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Thank you for the relief in that my link directory is not hurting me, and for the much appreciated praise.
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Thank you for the relief in that my link directory is not hurting me, and for the much appreciated praise.
Importance, credibility and authenticity needs to be merited. Your work is all three.

I just finished writing about the power of links in natural working web page relationships. Relevancy and natural development gain the highest link rewards.

The days are numbered for the victory by volume strategists. Artificial inflation of importance has been dealt another blow.
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... forgot something ...

I mentioned this at a Usenet group today and thought it might clarify this a bit too ...

" I think the search engines are moving more towards the natural
evolution of links, and so they should. Unique, richly crafted content
that is well presented to the web visitor turns into a telephone call
more frequently than empowered garbage. Links acquired based on a web designer thinking its content would be of value for his web visitor is a natural link, based on merit earned from the content.


Concentrate on crafting your content. Sure, go solicit for some links
from relevant themed sources, but this type of activity should be kept at a minimum.
Your internal linking is usually more valuable than incoming links.

As far as the rel="nofollow" goes. I can't seem to understand why the search engine came up with this. If you don't want a spider to follow what you do want an Internet visitor to follow then the search engine doesn't get to see what your webpage thinks is relevant content. This seems like another compromise headed for the chopping block. "
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Yesterday I went ahead and made a change to my rel=nofollow policy. While it is still enabled in the forums, since IMO external links within forum posts are not meant to be "endorsed" by the website, blog entries posted by staff writers as well as featured blog entries do not use rel=nofollow. Therefore, the natural linking to/from the blogosphere is not broken.
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Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by canadafred ...
Concentrate on crafting your content. Sure, go solicit for some links from relevant themed sources, but this type of activity should be kept at a minimum.
You should seek every link you can get that is related to your site. Limiting yourself wouldn't be maximizing your potential incoming links. Not only is this good for SEO, it's a natural way to promote a site.

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Your internal linking is usually more valuable than incoming links.
Not really accurate. Incoming links, if done properly, can play an important role in how a site ranks. But links from external sites, especially authoritative pages, can make a larger difference then all internal links combined. This goes back to the "beyond webmaster control" principle. If an external page that Google has said is very authoritative on a topic links to a page that is not its own then it is seen as an endorsement of that page. In fact, that is what PageRank is built on. Incoming links are seen as votes. Votes from other pages are naturally seen as more authoritative then voting for yourself.

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As far as the rel="nofollow" goes. I can't seem to understand why the search engine came up with this. If you don't want a spider to follow what you do want an Internet visitor to follow then the search engine doesn't get to see what your webpage thinks is relevant content. This seems like another compromise headed for the chopping block. "
It was created to limit the effectiveness of blog spam and other links that users can add on their own. Now Google as expanded its usefulness to include link selling. Since they don't want people selling links to manipulate their rankings they encourage the use of "nofollow" to prevent these links from affecting the SERPs. Sites that sell links and do not use it probably will be hit with a penalty. That penalty will most likely be the inability to pass PR from its home page or whatever page they sell links on. They have done this for years with sites like phpbb.com.
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You should seek every link you can get that is related to your site. Limiting yourself wouldn't be maximizing your potential incoming links. Not only is this good for SEO, it's a natural way to promote a site.
It isn't natural to seek links. It is natural to build website content. Natural infers to something happening on its own. In this case, links being given based on some webdesigner thinking the content of the other web page is worth his visitors knowing about, as it is both related to his content and the other webpage's content serves as additional information for his web visitor. In SEO, it is about giving the Internet visitor a pleasant web experience.

Soliciting, renting, buying, borrowing, begging and arm wrestling for links in not a part of SEO at all. That is the game of linking strategists, a mostly pitiful lot who give the art of SEO a bad name.
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It isn't natural to seek links. It is natural to build website content. Natural infers to something happening on its own. In this case, links being given based on some webdesigner thinking the content of the other web page is worth his visitors knowing about, as it is both related to his content and the other webpage's content serves as additional information for his web visitor. In SEO, it is about giving the Internet visitor a pleasant web experience.

Soliciting, renting, buying, borrowing, begging and arm wrestling for links in not a part of SEO at all. That is the game of linking strategists, a mostly pitiful lot who give the art of SEO a bad name.
Seeking links is very natural. It's the first way websites sought to promote themselves online. It's a fundamental form of online advertising. It only gets to be problematic when webmasters use black hat techniques to get those links. And that's what the search engines are cracking down on. But if they didn't believe that links were natural and important they wouldn't make them such an integral part of their ranking algorithms. They would simply ignore them completely. That's also why not all links are worth the same.

In SEO, seeking links means seeking links that will have the greatest positive effect on your site's performance in the SERPs. Not coincidentally this coincides with the best way to market your site online: by getting links from high quality related sites. Having great content is key to being successful at this as without it getting those links is difficult if not impossible. But you just don't throw a good website up there and let it sit there. You must advertise it and seeking links is the way to do it online.

And giving the user a pleasant experience isn't SEO. That's just good business.
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