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A Curmudgeonly Look at Google Wave
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Lots of talk about Google Wave last week, but after reading five articles that all described it in a similar fashion, I still didn't quite get what all the fuss was about. Finally, at the behest of one of my online friends I looked at the first 40 minutes of the 1 hour and 20 minute presentation from last week's Google I/O conference, and I finally had an inkling of the potential.
I still didn't quite share the enthusiasm at first glance of Tim O'Reilly or Mashable's Ben Parr, both of whom saw the whole presentation, and believe that this could be game changing software. Although I certainly can see its potential, I can also see some potential problems that I think we should discuss before pronouncing this a crowning achievement.
What It Is In a Nut Shell
What this software does is provide a unified communication interface, and believe me, I'm not dismissing that lightly. Think of it at its most basic level as a way to view IM and email in a unified interface in real time, right down to seeing individual keystrokes as you type if you wish. What's more, you can also share and collaborate from the same interface, so think of having Google Docs built in to the same interface, with real-time collaboration and editing capabilities including the ability to add items like photos and even enabling your colleague to fix your typos for you.
Waves are not confined to the Wave interface, however. You can programmatically link a wave to web site or blog, so that you embed the Wave directly into an entirely different venue much like Google Maps (which is no coincidence, since this is the same team that brought you Google Maps).
This ability to communicate, collaborate and share across different venues from a single tool is what makes it so powerful. So you could have a live conversation in your blog's comment section by embedding Wave functionality into your blog. The conversation appears in your blog and in your Wave interface, so you can access it from both places, or you never have to open Wave to see it. The software is not confined to its container.
What I'm Worried About
For all the potential I see here, and there is a tremendous amount, there are a number of issues I could see:
* What happens when you have conversation with more than say five people.
Conversations are known as Waves, but the demo included just three people. What happens when you are on team with 15 or 20 people or on a mailing list with 200 people? Won't it get crowded and out of control fairly quickly? Won't the interface itself overwhelm those of us who have trouble processing too much information in a single view. It will surely please some people, but I can see it getting overcrowded and noisy in a hurry. It will definitely need well designed filtering controls to avoid this problem.
* Key Stroke by Key Stroke View Could Be Annoying
The programmers maintained that the stroke by stroke view keeps the conversation alive, rather than waiting for the next sentence or two to appear. I can see how that could be useful, but I could also see it getting annoying, especially when multiple people were typing at the same time. What's more, very often I formulate a thought in IM , then change my mind and reword it or dismiss my thought altogether. If the person saw my thought process as it happens, I've lost that ability to check myself. Yes you can shut it off, but the very people who should probably won't.
* Editing Ability Could Get Out of Control
Everyone can edit everyone's messages to give you a live document kind of functionality, but it's not just a document interface, it's an email/IM interface, so it allows the person to edit anything and everything. Yes, there is an audit trail, and the author is informed of changes, but if you come into a conversation in the middle, you won't see the change history (as you can in a Wiki) unless you "play back" the entire conversation. Of course, most of us aren't going to do that, so the truth will be whatever we see in front of us and that could be a big problem.
* Too Complicated for the Masses
After watching the presentation, I wondered about the complexity of the interface and the number of adjustments you could make, and if this could have an impact on mass adoption (say on the scale of Gmail). Twitter is about as simple as you can get, 140 character limit and click Send and some people still have trouble understanding the nuances. Wave is a magnitude more complex and I wonder if this will hold back adoption beyond the technical elite.
These may not prove to be insurmountable obstacles, but as Seth Godin pointed out this week, the trouble with Microsoft's Bing ad campaign is that it suggests people are looking for a reason to move from Google Search when they're not. Neither do I think are they looking for an alternative to email and instant messaging. It works just fine for most people now. If people were to move to a new email/IM interface, it would have to be so compelling that they are willing to switch, and in my view, it would also need to be simple to use.
Wave is certainly compelling, but in its current form, as presented, it's not simple yet. As interesting as Wave may sound to the usual group of early adopters (like me), Google might have a tough time convincing the masses that this is a worthwhile switch and that is going to be a tougher sell for Google to make.
I still didn't quite share the enthusiasm at first glance of Tim O'Reilly or Mashable's Ben Parr, both of whom saw the whole presentation, and believe that this could be game changing software. Although I certainly can see its potential, I can also see some potential problems that I think we should discuss before pronouncing this a crowning achievement.
What It Is In a Nut Shell
What this software does is provide a unified communication interface, and believe me, I'm not dismissing that lightly. Think of it at its most basic level as a way to view IM and email in a unified interface in real time, right down to seeing individual keystrokes as you type if you wish. What's more, you can also share and collaborate from the same interface, so think of having Google Docs built in to the same interface, with real-time collaboration and editing capabilities including the ability to add items like photos and even enabling your colleague to fix your typos for you.
Waves are not confined to the Wave interface, however. You can programmatically link a wave to web site or blog, so that you embed the Wave directly into an entirely different venue much like Google Maps (which is no coincidence, since this is the same team that brought you Google Maps).
This ability to communicate, collaborate and share across different venues from a single tool is what makes it so powerful. So you could have a live conversation in your blog's comment section by embedding Wave functionality into your blog. The conversation appears in your blog and in your Wave interface, so you can access it from both places, or you never have to open Wave to see it. The software is not confined to its container.
What I'm Worried About
For all the potential I see here, and there is a tremendous amount, there are a number of issues I could see:
* What happens when you have conversation with more than say five people.
Conversations are known as Waves, but the demo included just three people. What happens when you are on team with 15 or 20 people or on a mailing list with 200 people? Won't it get crowded and out of control fairly quickly? Won't the interface itself overwhelm those of us who have trouble processing too much information in a single view. It will surely please some people, but I can see it getting overcrowded and noisy in a hurry. It will definitely need well designed filtering controls to avoid this problem.
* Key Stroke by Key Stroke View Could Be Annoying
The programmers maintained that the stroke by stroke view keeps the conversation alive, rather than waiting for the next sentence or two to appear. I can see how that could be useful, but I could also see it getting annoying, especially when multiple people were typing at the same time. What's more, very often I formulate a thought in IM , then change my mind and reword it or dismiss my thought altogether. If the person saw my thought process as it happens, I've lost that ability to check myself. Yes you can shut it off, but the very people who should probably won't.
* Editing Ability Could Get Out of Control
Everyone can edit everyone's messages to give you a live document kind of functionality, but it's not just a document interface, it's an email/IM interface, so it allows the person to edit anything and everything. Yes, there is an audit trail, and the author is informed of changes, but if you come into a conversation in the middle, you won't see the change history (as you can in a Wiki) unless you "play back" the entire conversation. Of course, most of us aren't going to do that, so the truth will be whatever we see in front of us and that could be a big problem.
* Too Complicated for the Masses
After watching the presentation, I wondered about the complexity of the interface and the number of adjustments you could make, and if this could have an impact on mass adoption (say on the scale of Gmail). Twitter is about as simple as you can get, 140 character limit and click Send and some people still have trouble understanding the nuances. Wave is a magnitude more complex and I wonder if this will hold back adoption beyond the technical elite.
These may not prove to be insurmountable obstacles, but as Seth Godin pointed out this week, the trouble with Microsoft's Bing ad campaign is that it suggests people are looking for a reason to move from Google Search when they're not. Neither do I think are they looking for an alternative to email and instant messaging. It works just fine for most people now. If people were to move to a new email/IM interface, it would have to be so compelling that they are willing to switch, and in my view, it would also need to be simple to use.
Wave is certainly compelling, but in its current form, as presented, it's not simple yet. As interesting as Wave may sound to the usual group of early adopters (like me), Google might have a tough time convincing the masses that this is a worthwhile switch and that is going to be a tougher sell for Google to make.
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Ron - I totally agree on all points, specifically the fact that I love email and IM as they are. And I know so many people that are still just trying to figure them out! (albeit from mid-40's on...). And the live keystrokes!
I can see the blog posts now: '10 ways to make sure you don't look unprofessional when you're using Google Wave' and 'Getting ready to talk to a new client using Google Wave? Here's how to avoid those insidious typos...'
Oy.
I can see the blog posts now: '10 ways to make sure you don't look unprofessional when you're using Google Wave' and 'Getting ready to talk to a new client using Google Wave? Here's how to avoid those insidious typos...'
Oy.
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Hi Julie:
Great point. People will need to be taught how to use this tool effectively, wisely and well. Lots of potential, but like any tool, in the wrongs hands it could be dangerous. :-)
Ron
Great point. People will need to be taught how to use this tool effectively, wisely and well. Lots of potential, but like any tool, in the wrongs hands it could be dangerous. :-)
Ron
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FYI I watched the first 40 minutes because it provided a demonstration of the end user functionality, which was what interested me for the purposes of this post. The rest of the video was on web development tools and ways to build the programmatic links. I will watch those sections and write about that part of the functionality in another post.
Ron
Ron
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"Twitter is about as simple as you can get, 140 character limit and click Send and some people still have trouble understanding the nuances. "
I don't think 'as simple as you get' really covers twitter. Not everyone is ideally positioned to think in terms of '140 character twits', there's actually a LOT of nuance involved in being limited in how to express yourself.
I agree, Wave may or may not see wide adoption, but as an idea, it seems worthwhile. The 'overwhelming' nature of a Wave with a lot of people will likely not be any more overwhelming than a popular IRC channel, or some of these streaming video websites where they keep up a constant live chat stream. People who are used to technologies like that will probably have no issue adopting.
I don't think 'as simple as you get' really covers twitter. Not everyone is ideally positioned to think in terms of '140 character twits', there's actually a LOT of nuance involved in being limited in how to express yourself.
I agree, Wave may or may not see wide adoption, but as an idea, it seems worthwhile. The 'overwhelming' nature of a Wave with a lot of people will likely not be any more overwhelming than a popular IRC channel, or some of these streaming video websites where they keep up a constant live chat stream. People who are used to technologies like that will probably have no issue adopting.
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I think you guys are forgetting that this is a developers snapshot and that it is open source. People are going to change this many iterations over before it's released. Also, a majority of people out there don't IM at all...they just use email..which negates the need for extra training.
Plus, consider the setup of the demo...it was a development team. This is going to be pushed toward collaborative teams before it's pushed out to the masses...I think you missed the group wave is targeting.
in other words, your concerns are premature and definitely aren't shared by me...
Plus, consider the setup of the demo...it was a development team. This is going to be pushed toward collaborative teams before it's pushed out to the masses...I think you missed the group wave is targeting.
in other words, your concerns are premature and definitely aren't shared by me...
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I too like the idea of withholding participation in the, er, wave of hype (pun intented).
There is a sweet spot of practical usage, but it seems we swing these ways anyway with many "new" technologies these days (and perhaps before). Hype...then sober reality...then disappointment...onto new Hype.
What I didn't buy from anyone is the notion of something *replacing* email or messaging services. It is an overambitious idea to throw in - pick a mountain and brag about climbing it. I suppose it's always been about augmenting or adding onto these technologies.
But Hans has a great point in the demo when he addresses the *federated* nature of their proposed technology. Right now, email systems are facing a constant and growing onslaught from untrusted sources who can inject messages into the system anywhere at any time. If Email alone doesn't need replacing, then how exactly is it going to survive without a much needed overhaul? Would implementing a system like Google's "Wave" protocol not address some of the emerging issue, and provide a messaging platform that an scale to manage many different inputs while leveraging all possible outputs (web, SMS, video, voice, etc?). I use numerous online communities and messaging technologies. I would prefer to aggregate them into one place as I've already done with my IM by using Adium to send and receive IMs from all protocols and sites I subscribe to (MSN, Yahoo, Google, ICQ, iChat, FB, etc...). Does the concept not logically extend to all messaging options and then again extend to methods of interacting with the web?
Given the *possibilities* isn't the proposed technology a decent launching pad?
What I'd like to know is - is it better than what's out there and emerging? How does it compare if it's impractical.
There is a sweet spot of practical usage, but it seems we swing these ways anyway with many "new" technologies these days (and perhaps before). Hype...then sober reality...then disappointment...onto new Hype.
What I didn't buy from anyone is the notion of something *replacing* email or messaging services. It is an overambitious idea to throw in - pick a mountain and brag about climbing it. I suppose it's always been about augmenting or adding onto these technologies.
But Hans has a great point in the demo when he addresses the *federated* nature of their proposed technology. Right now, email systems are facing a constant and growing onslaught from untrusted sources who can inject messages into the system anywhere at any time. If Email alone doesn't need replacing, then how exactly is it going to survive without a much needed overhaul? Would implementing a system like Google's "Wave" protocol not address some of the emerging issue, and provide a messaging platform that an scale to manage many different inputs while leveraging all possible outputs (web, SMS, video, voice, etc?). I use numerous online communities and messaging technologies. I would prefer to aggregate them into one place as I've already done with my IM by using Adium to send and receive IMs from all protocols and sites I subscribe to (MSN, Yahoo, Google, ICQ, iChat, FB, etc...). Does the concept not logically extend to all messaging options and then again extend to methods of interacting with the web?
Given the *possibilities* isn't the proposed technology a decent launching pad?
What I'd like to know is - is it better than what's out there and emerging? How does it compare if it's impractical.
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Jason,
You make excellent points. The idea of a communications system minus the spam is a compelling one, on that point alone, and this is so much more than that. I'm not denying it's amazing technology. I've made that point throughout. I'm just pushing back at the preliminary gushing and hype and trying to find the areas of weakness. I haven't used this software. I've only seen the demo of the end user portion of it. I agree it has tremendous potential and I'm certainly not suggesting that they don't try. I think the fact they've been able to get this far with it is very impressive, but it doesn't mean there aren't questions we shouldn't be asking throughout the process to help improve it and help the developers fill in possible holes that could develop. Thanks for the great comment.
Ron
You make excellent points. The idea of a communications system minus the spam is a compelling one, on that point alone, and this is so much more than that. I'm not denying it's amazing technology. I've made that point throughout. I'm just pushing back at the preliminary gushing and hype and trying to find the areas of weakness. I haven't used this software. I've only seen the demo of the end user portion of it. I agree it has tremendous potential and I'm certainly not suggesting that they don't try. I think the fact they've been able to get this far with it is very impressive, but it doesn't mean there aren't questions we shouldn't be asking throughout the process to help improve it and help the developers fill in possible holes that could develop. Thanks for the great comment.
Ron
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Hi Synrath:
I'm not forgetting your point at all. i realize it's a very preliminary snap shot, you're right that the idea is more than worthwhile, but I do think Google gets into these things for a reason, and it's not for a few geeks to enjoy the technology. It's because they see if it scales and grows, they can make more ad money. So if it's not accessible, and it's nothing more than a cool programming experiment, I don't think they will have achieved their goal, but I think in the end it will indeed be much more than that.
Thanks for commenting.
Ron
I'm not forgetting your point at all. i realize it's a very preliminary snap shot, you're right that the idea is more than worthwhile, but I do think Google gets into these things for a reason, and it's not for a few geeks to enjoy the technology. It's because they see if it scales and grows, they can make more ad money. So if it's not accessible, and it's nothing more than a cool programming experiment, I don't think they will have achieved their goal, but I think in the end it will indeed be much more than that.
Thanks for commenting.
Ron
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Funny, I wrote a similar article last night on my website.
http://www.atomicboysoftware.com/blo...5/google-wave/
http://www.atomicboysoftware.com/blo...5/google-wave/
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