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Originally Posted by stymiee 
By blocking that page in the go folder you essentially block any pages that use that folder to be found by humans and search engines. You're trying to make it look innocent but it isn't. You're cheating people out of links. I don't know who you think you are fooling.
Stymee man, no pages use that folder accept the link from the main site to the directory. I am not advising anyone to block any pages in the Directory, just ONE link from the main site to the directory, other links to the directory are free to move into it and do whatever.
That link that separates the main site to the directory allows just that... separation which gets you 2 individual sites in the search engines eyes allowing the spiders to view one way links to both linkers. Both sites have incoming links from all over the internet
I have been doing SEO for a long, long time (since the 90's) and I have never cheated anyone out of even 1 link.
Now tell me how the links have no SEO value when both have pagerank and get spider and human visitors from the serps?
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Dude, I quoted your text previously where you flat out claim to block the links so they have no SEO value. Until you can show that it isn't what you are doing how can anyone believe you are honest in what you are trying to explain?
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The quote showed how to separate the folders so that the spider can not go to the directory from the main site, that is what we want to avoid the appearance of the two being the same site.
Here are some key points to remember:
The "GO" folder on your server is an empty folder except for the redirect to the Directory folder on your server.
The "GO" folder has a no follow in the robots text.
The directory does not have a no follow in any robots.txt so the spiders are free to roam.
The "GO" folder nofollow ONLY blocks the spider from traveling "from the main site to the directory" ... that is to create the illusion of 2 separate sites and therefore 1 one way links.
The spiders are not blocked from the Directory folder so that we can create SEO value there by gaining visitors and pagerank from various submissions.
Once you submit the directory (www.yoursite.com/Directory) it will begin to get its own visitors, spider visits, and page rank.
There is not a no follow tag on the directory and since we are not linking back and forth from directory to the main site the engines see it as a spearate site.
There will be Yoursite.com and then Yoursite.com/Directory, both should be submitted separately and each will get its own Page Rank if done properly.
The directory should be submitted as its own site so the spiders visit it independently.
I should add that is is not a good idea to link back from the directory to the main site I cant believe I left that out.
Here are some key points to remember:
The "GO" folder on your server is an empty folder except for the redirect to the Directory folder on your server.
The "GO" folder has a no follow in the robots text.
The directory does not have a no follow in any robots.txt so the spiders are free to roam.
The "GO" folder nofollow ONLY blocks the spider from traveling "from the main site to the directory" ... that is to create the illusion of 2 separate sites and therefore 1 one way links.
The spiders are not blocked from the Directory folder so that we can create SEO value there by gaining visitors and pagerank from various submissions.
Once you submit the directory (www.yoursite.com/Directory) it will begin to get its own visitors, spider visits, and page rank.
There is not a no follow tag on the directory and since we are not linking back and forth from directory to the main site the engines see it as a spearate site.
There will be Yoursite.com and then Yoursite.com/Directory, both should be submitted separately and each will get its own Page Rank if done properly.
The directory should be submitted as its own site so the spiders visit it independently.
I should add that is is not a good idea to link back from the directory to the main site I cant believe I left that out.
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You also seem to need to learn about PR. PR is not done by website. It is done by web PAGE. So separating the two for pagerank purposes is silly. Actually, the same applies to rankings. Search engines rank web pages, not websites. Also, being on the same domain name associates all of the pages to one website so having the directory in a subdirectory accomplishes nothing.
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Remember, Google says that it is against their webmaster rules to participate in any type of link building strategy. So if you aquire links more slowly Google sees this as natural, especially if the site is new.
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"separating the two for page rank purposes is silly. Actually, the same applies to rankings."
I believe you are correct in stating that separating the for page rank is not a good idea, but to keep the spiders in one place and get separate SEO value for your directory and the folks that it links to, it is a good idea.
Being on the same domain, or even Cblock is not ideal but this strategy works better than just a plain old directory, most sub directories have Zip for PR and this helps make it more of a link magnet "worthwhile" to link with the main site. And still it is looked at more or less as a one way link which boosts the value of the time you spend gaining links.
Dan_X - It is better to gain links slowly and just by having a directory doesn’t mean we are getting them faster, it is still painstakingly tough to get them so it takes a while.
Oh and stymee, your site code has lots of errors, even on the front page, fix it and see if that helps your rankings. If you want me to fix it, send me a PM. Personally I don’t think it matters, I did not even declare a doc type or a KW tag until this year, but that is a matter of preference so I thought you should know.
I believe you are correct in stating that separating the for page rank is not a good idea, but to keep the spiders in one place and get separate SEO value for your directory and the folks that it links to, it is a good idea.
Being on the same domain, or even Cblock is not ideal but this strategy works better than just a plain old directory, most sub directories have Zip for PR and this helps make it more of a link magnet "worthwhile" to link with the main site. And still it is looked at more or less as a one way link which boosts the value of the time you spend gaining links.
Dan_X - It is better to gain links slowly and just by having a directory doesn’t mean we are getting them faster, it is still painstakingly tough to get them so it takes a while.
Oh and stymee, your site code has lots of errors, even on the front page, fix it and see if that helps your rankings. If you want me to fix it, send me a PM. Personally I don’t think it matters, I did not even declare a doc type or a KW tag until this year, but that is a matter of preference so I thought you should know.
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Originally Posted by erothchild
Being on the same domain, or even Cblock is not ideal but this strategy works better than just a plain old directory, most sub directories have Zip for PR and this helps make it more of a link magnet "worthwhile" to link with the main site. And still it is looked at more or less as a one way link which boosts the value of the time you spend gaining links.
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Originally Posted by erothchild
Oh and stymee, your site code has lots of errors, even on the front page, fix it and see if that helps your rankings. If you want me to fix it, send me a PM. Personally I don’t think it matters, I did not even declare a doc type or a KW tag until this year, but that is a matter of preference so I thought you should know.
What code has lots of errors?
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I love it when people tell you myths as if they are facts, the fact is that no one knows whether or not the same IP matters but I have played with it over the years and my best sites have been on dedicated IP addresses.
While we are on the IP address topic... I also find it funny that only around 3% of websites have dedicated IP addresses, BUT... In the top 50 results of almost any search term a whopping 90% have dedicated IP addresses and close to Zip are on the same C block.
These are well known facts, I am simply speculating, repeating myths, or making somthign up to make you look bad.
Brainyminds homepage is where the errors are, I was looking at your seo strategies and figured I will check up on the code, hope you don't mind. I went ahead and uploaded a txt file with the errors listed so you can fix it, I am curious to see if it helps at all.
While we are on the IP address topic... I also find it funny that only around 3% of websites have dedicated IP addresses, BUT... In the top 50 results of almost any search term a whopping 90% have dedicated IP addresses and close to Zip are on the same C block.
These are well known facts, I am simply speculating, repeating myths, or making somthign up to make you look bad.
Brainyminds homepage is where the errors are, I was looking at your seo strategies and figured I will check up on the code, hope you don't mind. I went ahead and uploaded a txt file with the errors listed so you can fix it, I am curious to see if it helps at all.
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Originally Posted by erothchild
I love it when people tell you myths as if they are facts, the fact is that no one knows whether or not the same IP matters but I have played with it over the years and my best sites have been on dedicated IP addresses.
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Originally Posted by erothchild
While we are on the IP address topic... I also find it funny that only around 3% of websites have dedicated IP addresses, BUT... In the top 50 results of almost any search term a whopping 90% have dedicated IP addresses and close to Zip are on the same C block.
These are well known facts, I am simply speculating, repeating myths, or making somthign up to make you look bad.
Did you even consider the hundreds of other ranking a factors? Did you consider why sites with dedicated IPs might rank higher without SEO even being a factor? Clearly not. You can even just start off by saying that sites on dedicate IP addresses have spent more money on their hosting because their website is more important then the average Joe's website. They have put good money into its creation and maintenance and it is an important part of their business model. They probably advertise more and have high quality content to boot. Those are the kinds of sites that rank well and it's not because of their dedicated IP address.
You can also shoot that down by saying that statistic is a bunch of crap and most sites that rank well are on shared hosting. There's no way to took a good sample of sites to make that claim. The vast majority of sites are on shared IPs and they rank well for for a very wide variety of terms.
The whole "dedicated IP address is important for SEO" thing is a myth.
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Originally Posted by erothchild
Brainyminds homepage is where the errors are, I was looking at your seo strategies and figured I will check up on the code, hope you don't mind. I went ahead and uploaded a txt file with the errors listed so you can fix it, I am curious to see if it helps at all.
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"Those ate HTML errors and have no effect on SEO"
Again, an Uproven Myth. How do you know? I would love to see this tell all source you are getting your information from.
I'll move on now, this is getting redundant, hopefully someone somewhere learned somthing from us.
Again, an Uproven Myth. How do you know? I would love to see this tell all source you are getting your information from.
I'll move on now, this is getting redundant, hopefully someone somewhere learned somthing from us.
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