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Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Agilemind …. From the limited research I've seen on the subject sexism & independence of women is more closely tied to: availablility… Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by ChrisHunter … please get back to the point of Manners, chivalry and sexism in general please? Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by BigPaw … please get back to the point of Manners, chivalry and sexism in general please? Yeah, point taken. I suppose I was… Google Accused of Sexism in 'Google Doodles' 13 Years Ago by slfisher What do children's book author Beatrix Potter, painter Mary Cassatt, and artist Frida Kahlo have in common? According to one [URL="http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/07/06/google-says-the-world-was-made-made-pretty-by-men/"]blogger[/URL], they are the three women -- compared with 109 men -- who have been honored by having a … Re: Google Accused of Sexism in 'Google Doodles' 13 Years Ago by Emmadw I've just had a look at the list of sites, as I was fairly sure that the UK version of Google at least had a poppy on remembrance day - and I see that in 2009, there was both a poppy in the UK & something in the US for veterans day: http://www.google.com/logos/logos09-4.html Re: Google Accused of Sexism in 'Google Doodles' 13 Years Ago by slfisher So there is. Thanks! Re: Google Accused of Sexism in 'Google Doodles' 13 Years Ago by Emmadw Oh, fully agree, by the way, that there needs to be a better gender balance when it comes to people - it was just I'd remembered that poppy! Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by diafol I recently read an article in a newspaper that stated between 80-90% of British women polled would feel offended if a man: 1) opened a door for her 2) offered her his seat on a bus 3) offered her his coat during a downpour I certainly do not get offended if a man opens a door for me (I'm a 40-something man BTW). I'm probably not of an age where … Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Reverend Jim I don't see a lot of "common" courtesy these days. Even in the great white north where we Canadians are supposed to have a reputation for being polite, manners seem to be disappearing. Noy in my family though, I'm happy to say. I think part of the reason that people these days are so "me" focused is the trend for the last few … Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by diafol > Old joke - how do two Canadians argue over a parking space? > "You take it", "Oh no, I insist, you take it..." Hah! You may be right there, we are, as a global community getting more selfish. But I think people are being over-sensitive too, everything should be taken as a slight, an attack on their rights. Part of our &… Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Ancient Dragon This has been going on for a few generations now with the "spare the rod and spoil the child" attitude. Ok, so the phrase is pretty old (coined in 1662) Parents can't even spank a child without getting arrested for child cruelty. I got ass likings when I was a kid and I grew up ok (at least I think I did) I believe use of hard drugs (… Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Agilemind There is a difference between a man doing those things for another man than him doing them for a women. Chivalry is associated with a time in history when women were considered property. They could not vote, work or own their own home. Chivalry is also based on the view that women are fragile, weak, inferior beings where as men are strong, tough, … Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Agilemind > I don't see a lot of "common" courtesy these days. Even in the great white north where we Canadians are supposed to have a reputation for being polite, manners seem to be disappearing. Noy in my family though, I'm happy to say. This is an interesting phenomenon, people complain about "kids these days" but if you ask them … Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Ancient Dragon >. Chivalry is associated with a time in history when women were considered property. Not really. I never considered my wife "property" (well, on the otherhand maybe I did, and the reverse was true too). People act like that even today. People are not property like you could buy/sell a dog, horse, car, house, etc. But property … Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by deceptikon > Anybody got any views on this? Is common civility something to be shunned in order to avoid offence? I was raised to be polite and courteous to all, women and men regardless of age. If someone is offended by that, it's not my problem. If a woman gets offended by me holding a door for her (which I would do for anyone a few steps behind me), my… Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Agilemind There is a difference between curtesy holding the door and chivalrous holding the door. Curtesy is a very minor inconvience and extended to all people (eg. holding the door for the person behind you). Chivalrous holding the door is a much larger inconvience and extended only to women by men (eg. guy running around to the other side of a car to open… Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Reverend Jim >But I think people are being over-sensitive too A lot of people go out of their way to find things that offend them and it's not enough to be personally offended. There are people who get offended on behalf of other people. > I got ### lickings when I was a kid and I grew up ok Same here. My Dad spent many years on the local School Board.… Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by deceptikon > eg. guy running around to the other side of a car to open the door for his girlfriend I was thinking of this as an example as well, but more along the lines of if she's offended by me showing that I care for her, it's not a healthy relationship. Doing that for some random woman is different, and I'd prefer not to because it opens a can of … Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Agilemind > There are people who get offended on behalf of other people. And some people get offended by other people being offended.... Although IMO we should not judge people as "over-sensitive" until we have walked a mile in their shoes. PS I am a woman who has experienced and observed British men being 'chivalrous'. Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by deceptikon > Although IMO we should not judge people as "over-sensitive" until we have walked a mile in their shoes. It works both ways. Don't judge people for being "chivalrous" until you understand their reasons for it. ;) Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Reverend Jim > The more drug use we see the worse we are. Why do you think there is so much violence in America? Probably drug use has a lot to do with it. Dugs make people do things they wouldn't do otherwise. So that's your logic? more drugs = more violence more guns = less violence Astounding! >By being chivarlous a man suggests he admires/… Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by diafol Wow! I included 'chivalry' in the title, as a tongue-in-cheek hook. I was looking more at common civility. I'd offer to open a door for anybody. Note the word 'offer' - not demand. I agree that persistence can be annoying. My late step-mother would ask me five times whether I wanted another cup of tea. I felt like shouting "For #### sakes, I… Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Ancient Dragon >So that's your logic? >more drugs = more violence >more guns = less violenc I didn't say that at all. What I meant was this: more drugs = more guns = more violence [Here](http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Prisons_and_Drugs) are a few interesting stats: This is the result of President Lyndon Johnson's so-called "war on drugs"… Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by diafol ^^ As interesting as it is, I think that's going off-piste. Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Ancient Dragon it's been off-topic for a couple of days now, but that's the way it goes in Geek's Lounge :) Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by mike_2000_17 I have a tentalizing scenario for the whole "holding the door" conundrum: double doors. Walk into a restaurant, mall, or building with double doors, whoever gets to walk through the first door held open for them is going to reach the second door before the other. And there comes the "test", (1) will the person return the favor (… Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Reverend Jim @AD - thanks for providing the stats. Now back to the topic... I find that 9 times out of 10 when I open the first door of a two-door entrance, the person I let through first reciprocates. As for motive, I find life complicated enough without worrying about motive. I'm not as concerned about why people behave the way they do as I am with the … Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by <M/> >1) opened a door for her 2) offered her his seat on a bus 3) offered her his coat during a downpour I think the reason why a woman would feel offended is because it is just uncommon... though i am not sure if any woman in general would feel offended from any of those 3 things... Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by Lardmeister No lady has ever been offended when I held the door open for her. However, I have never carried one across a mud puddle. Re: Manners, chivalry and sexism 11 Years Ago by <M/> I have offended a lady because i opened the door for her... I accidentally hit her with it...