Is Daniweb ready for *this*??

[DMR]

If the implications weren't so truly frightening, I'd be LMAO:

http://news.com.com/SenatorIllegalimagesmustbereported/2100-1028_3-6142332.html?tag=nefd.lede

From the article:

Millions of commercial Web sites and personal blogs would be required to report illegal images or videos posted by their users or pay fines of up to $300,000, if a new proposal in the U.S. Senate came into law.

According to the proposed legislation, these types of individuals or businesses would be required to file reports: any Web site with a message board; any chat room; any social-networking site; any e-mail service; any instant-messaging service; any Internet content hosting service; any domain name registration service; any Internet search service; any electronic communication service; and any image or video-sharing service...

A McCain aide, who did not want to be identified by name, said on Friday that the measure was targeted at any Web site that "you'd have to join up or become a member of to use."

*sigh*...
Welcome to the United States- The Land of Frightened Sheep.

[~s.o.s~]

I don't think such a thing would be implemented..and what have they got to say about Youtube and other video sharing sites which allow the user to register, access the site and download all the illegal or ripped vidoes upped by others (not to mention the porn galore there).

With the kind of revenue Youtube is generating, shutting it down would be a well...

[mattyd]

If the implications weren't so truly frightening, I'd be LMAO:

http://news.com.com/SenatorIllegalimagesmustbereported/2100-1028_3-6142332.html?tag=nefd.lede

From the article:

Millions of commercial Web sites and personal blogs would be required to report illegal images or videos posted by their users or pay fines of up to $300,000, if a new proposal in the U.S. Senate came into law.

According to the proposed legislation, these types of individuals or businesses would be required to file reports: any Web site with a message board; any chat room; any social-networking site; any e-mail service; any instant-messaging service; any Internet content hosting service; any domain name registration service; any Internet search service; any electronic communication service; and any image or video-sharing service...

A McCain aide, who did not want to be identified by name, said on Friday that the measure was targeted at any Web site that "you'd have to join up or become a member of to use."

*sigh*...
Welcome to the United States- The Land of Frightened Sheep.

How Surprising. :rolleyes: As I've always said and will say again: " I'd rather live in Europe." ;)

[Dani]

Morality entirely aside - if you just witnessed a crime, are you breaking the law if you don't run down to your local police station and report it? If so, I should be behind bars by now for all of those times I've driven down the road and not called 911 when I saw someone changing lanes without signaling or blowing a stopsign.

[lol_hacker101]

And plus, all the nice police officers that merely give you a warning and a lecture instead of wasting your time with a ticket.

Just for clarification:
This would be $300,000 per illegal videos/images, correct?

['Stein]

Just for clarification:
This would be $300,000 per illegal videos/images, correct?

I think up to $300k per violation.

[DMR]

if you just witnessed a crime, are you breaking the law if you don't run down to your local police station and report it?

If this law passes, you, as the owner of Daniweb, would be breaking the law by not reporting certain crimes. :sad:

[jbennet]

stupid law

what happens if you hosted daniweb in like india or somewhere?
or would it still apply as you are a us citizen?

[DMR]

Well, that question does point up one of the absurdities of trying to force one government's "morality" on a meta-national structure like the Internet, doesn't it?

[Infarction]

well, I guess I'd have to start posting "illegal" stuff anonymously on MSDN, Sun's forums, etc..., till the corporate lawmakers decided it was a bad law ;)

[Dani]

Well, that question does point up one of the absurdities of trying to force one government's "morality" on a meta-national structure like the Internet, doesn't it?

Not in the sense of criminal law, but taxation already does come into play in a similar fashion when buying things over the internet. Personally, I think it's ridiculous how the taxes are based on whether the ecommerce website has or doesn't have a warehouse in your state.

[WaltP]

*sigh*...
Welcome to the United States- The Land of Frightened Sheep.

Ain't that the truth. And they won't do anything to stop crap showing up in my emails, but they'll regulate a place I want to frequent. It's so sad.

[Infarction]

The problem with lawyers making the laws is that they don't know how anything else works... or so I am often led to believe...

[JJ___]

Wow. So the U.S. Senate is trying to regulate the entire internet. I live in Britain, so would I be breaking the law if I uploaded anything onto Daniweb which they deem 'obscene'? This just can't work.

[~s.o.s~]

I don't think there is any need to panic since there is a very slim chance that something like this would be implemented -- either this or the people making this law are really smoking something suspicious...

They just can't control the amout of piracy and illegal stuff on warez sites so to show that they are putting in some effort, they decide to go ahead and make this law. Ah..the politics...

[JJ___]

They just can't control the amout of piracy and illegal stuff on warez sites so to show that they are putting in some effort, they decide to go ahead and make this law. Ah..the politics...

I agree, and the irony is that token efforts like this simply make people angry while allowing the real criminals to carry on, because they find loopholes and ways to bypass the system.

[~s.o.s~]

I agree, and the irony is that token efforts like this simply make people angry while allowing the real criminals to carry on, because they find loopholes and ways to bypass the system.

...and not to forget it gives the pirates the opportunity to laugh at other people saying "Now look who really has to get concerned with piracy laws.."

[jwenting]

Maybe a bit harsh, but it would maybe at last do something about operators of sites that don't bother to self-police and set policies against their users publishing pirated or otherwise illegal content.

[DMR]

I don't think there is any need to panic since there is a very slim chance that something like this would be implemented -- either this or the people making this law are really smoking something suspicious...

Oh- they're smoking something, alright.

Unfortunately though, we in the US have a history of passing laws which were seemingly written in a drug-induced haze. Just look at paraniod and interest-driven laws like the DMCA or the *cough* "Patriot" Act; those laws were passed almost unanimously.

Face it- when it comes to governments, it is rarely safe to use logic when predicting what they may or may not do. The actions of politicians seldom come from any real knowledge of the area/issue which they are attempting to legislate; regardless of the issue, their actions are usually instead based on personal/party gain or, as in this case, a "moral" stance that may or may not be supported by the general population. (Of course, over-inflating or misrepresenting an issue or "threat" is a crucial tactic in getting the general population to think that they support such issues.)

[Ancient Dragon]

I'm not really very concerned about that bill -- it takes a long long time for most bills to be passed by both houses of Congress then signed by the President. Even if that happens I am certain that someone will sue halting implementation of the law until the US Superme Court makes a ruling, and that could be years away.

this also sounds like a last-ditch effort by Republicans to get anything done in their lame-duck (or do-nothing) congress. Congress will adjurn in a few days for the holidays, and when it re-convenes in January it will be a new congress with the Democrats in contol. Then you will see that bill by John McCain die a quick death. It will be put on the bottom of the pile of bills never to see the light of day again.

[jwenting]

The dhimmies will vote for anything that increases government power AD.
Remember that McCain is a republican only in name, in fact he's got far more in common with the likes of Clinton and Feingold than even with leftwing republicans like Bush.

[WaltP]

Face it- when it comes to governments, it is rarely safe to use logic when predicting what they may or may not do.

My favorite quote about governments:
"If governments were people, every dang one of them would be comitted"

Congress will adjurn in a few days for the holidays, and when it re-convenes in January it will be a new congress with the Democrats in contol. Then you will see that bill by John McCain die a quick death. It will be put on the bottom of the pile of bills never to see the light of day again.

Yeah, and watch how your take-home pay gets whittled down, too. :eek: