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I said thats a solution NOW, not for the future. In the future human nature will be suppressed by society itself .

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The masses are people with an IQ of 100 +/- 10. The "masses" make up over 80% of society.

Stop categorizing people. Its the sickest thing one can do. And whats the big deal about IQ. In real life it doesn't prove anything. All the great people who were born were not measured by their IQ but their deeds.

Maybe 14 years of your life is not enough for you to be making such conclusions. Looking down on others would not get you far.

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Stop categorizing people. Its the sickest thing one can do. And whats the big deal about IQ. In real life it doesn't prove anything. All the great people who were born were not measured by their IQ but their deeds.

I concur.

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The masses are people with an IQ of 100 +/- 10. The "masses" make up over 80% of society.

Stop categorizing people. Its the sickest thing one can do. And whats the big deal about IQ. In real life it doesn't prove anything. All the great people who were born were not measured by their IQ but their deeds.

Maybe 14 years of your life is not enough for you to be making such conclusions. Looking down on others would not get you far.

maybe I need to take my age off...

I am not saying that IQ means everything. I completely concur that you should be measured by your deeds and not your IQ. But you must understand that there is a strong positive correlation between IQ and how successful a person is. Therefore the EASIEST and FASTEST way to determine the masses is by IQ. Would you feel better if I categorized the masses as people who make $35,000?

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Would you feel better if I categorized the masses as people who make $35,000?

No.

Maybe you need to read a bit hard....

Stop categorizing people. Its the sickest thing one can do.

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If we do not categorize people how can we do anything? How can a store determine its market audience without categorization? How can a government determine who they should help without categorization? How can a society function without categorization?

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> If we do not categorize people how can we do anything?

You don't categorize humans, you categorize information. 100 people bought candles, 50 bought bulbs. You don't categorize people who bought candles and bulbs -- you categorize the information and use it. There is a difference you know.

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If we do not categorize people how can we do anything? How can a store determine its market audience without categorization? How can a government determine who they should help without categorization? How can a society function without categorization?

What gave you your unquestioned premise that society must be an algorithm, imposed on people, that is designed to optimize particular parameters?

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What gave you your unquestioned premise that society must be an algorithm, imposed on people, that is designed to optimize particular parameters?

Because in a world of complete logic (one that I hope will exist in the future) that is the only way.

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> I am not saying that IQ means everything.

> OK I am categorizing a person's IQ not the person.

Good -- now we are getting somewhere.

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but people have an IQ value associated to them. So by categorizing a person's IQ we are really just categorizing them.

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You aren't categorizing the person. You are categorizing a bit of information that happens to be associated with that person.

And you'll never have a perfectly logic-driven society; humankind deals in emotions as well. The only way you'd be able to get what you want would be to somehow kill off the capacity for any kind of emotion in every human being you controlled, and that just isn't going to happen. Not if you want them to be able to serve as functioning members of the society instead of chemically-driven drones.

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but people have an IQ value associated to them. So by categorizing a person's IQ we are really just categorizing them.

Intelligence and wisdom are two different things.

A smart man is known by the answer he gives -- a wise man by the question he asks.

This just proves that IQ stands for nothing other than a feature invented for the leisure of few who were smart enough to come up with it.

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The notion of a logic-driven society doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand what you mean at all. Are decisions made... logically? From what premises are the logical reasonings made? It sounds to me like the only thing different from your idea of a right society from others' is that its logic is derived from the arbitrary axioms that you prefer, while others' are derived from different premises regarding righteousness. Would your society, by any chance, restrict mating to once every seven years?

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Nicely put.
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Actually

IQ=(mentalAge/physicalAge)*100

You don't really "come up" with it. IQ is a valid way to measure the worth a person quickly.
As are standardized tests.

The notion of a logic-driven society doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand what you mean at all. Are decisions made... logically? From what premises are the logical reasonings made? It sounds to me like the only thing different from your idea of a right society from others' is that its logic is derived from the arbitrary axioms that you prefer, while others' are derived from different premises regarding righteousness. Would your society, by any chance, restrict mating to once every seven years?

If you break down all information into bits, there is clearly a "wrong way" and a "right way". In an ideal society
the "perfect" person would just be cloned over and over again to make up the whole society and brought up in exactly the same environment. In this way, war nor conflict would exist.

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You have to actually come up with something to have something. Was IQ present from the time dinosaurs roamed this very place? I guess no. Someone 'came' up with it. Everything looks logical if presented in a slick way.

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Actually

IQ=(mentalAge/physicalAge)*100

You don't really "come up" with it. IQ is a valid way to measure the worth a person quickly.
As are standardized tests.

If you break down all information into bits, there is clearly a "wrong way" and a "right way". In an ideal society
the "perfect" person would just be cloned over and over again to make up the whole society and brought up in exactly the same environment. In this way, war nor conflict would exist.

Only in the sense of measuring a specific variant of worth. For example, an IQ test geared towards logical thought would probably give a poor score to someone who thinks in terms of intuitive jumps, no matter what other talents they may have, or even what their jumps might lead to. Your perfect society would stagnate; any sources of innovation will be cut off, unless innovation is part of your 'perfect person', and even then, that will lead to differences...and since they now differ from the 'perfect' exemplar, they must by definition be 'imperfect'.

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You have to actually come up with something to have something. Was IQ present from the time dinosaurs roamed this very place? I guess no. Someone 'came' up with it. Everything looks logical if presented in a slick way.

Do you mean sick, as in "dehumanizing"? Because humans are essentially brutal and primitive animals
with there only redeeming characteristic being that ability to think logically. This said, most humans do not use there only strong point.

Only in the sense of measuring a specific variant of worth. For example, an IQ test geared towards logical thought would probably give a poor score to someone who thinks in terms of intuitive jumps, no matter what other talents they may have, or even what their jumps might lead to.

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by "IQ" I mean an IQ test geared toward logical thought.

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You need to improve your reading skills. Slick and sick are two different things altogether.

er...sorry. But that doesn't mean I am not good at reading.

You say that because most of the humans you interact with on a day to day basis are your age.

Actually most of the people I interact with are quite older then I am.

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If I were to set the choices for this poll I might do it a little bit differently. You can't just say left to right. It has more dimensions that that. I would probably put:

Communist
Socialist
Democrat
Individual
Republican
Nationalist
Fascist
Anarchist
Libertarian

Of course, this really applies more to American politics considering the close relationship between democrats and republicans and also considering democrats and republicans are political parties rather than ideologies. I also want to add that there are definitely notable differences between the two. Fascism and Communism are so very different, I think most people would agree (contrary to what someone said earlier), although they are both usually dictatorial and the like. I have to disagree when you say they are both totalitarian. A capitalist really only describes one's economic stance and not so much their political stance as a whole (and is why I didn't include it on my list). It wouldn't be false to say that a democrat is a capitalist. It's also important to remember that there are positions that people take between any of these ideologies. I myself am a Democratic Socialist even though I clicked on Socialist. It's hard to say that you don't belong to any political ideologies. These are just labels, which I know isn't the best word to use but they are. If you have opinions on just about anything at all in the world, then you can be labeled as one of these (or a similar) political ideology.

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Fascism and Communism are so very different, I think most people would agree (contrary to what someone said earlier), although they are both usually dictatorial and the like. I have to disagree when you say they are both totalitarian.

Cite evidence for your point of view, please.

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f I were to set the choices for this poll I might do it a little bit differently. You can't just say left to right. It has more dimensions that that. I would probably put:

Communist
Socialist
Democrat
Individual
Republican
Nationalist
Fascist
Anarchist
Libertarian

How are fascists and anarchists similar? An anarchists should be just left of communist.

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