Global warming!!

[The Dude]

Very good video......

http://anonym.to?http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/6/tough-to-argue.wmv

Whadda ya all think?

Link (in case your browser doesnt "call your player" correctly)

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/6/tough-to-argue.wmv

[Sturm]

Very convincing. He is correct in his conclusion. But he fails to realize that humans are not entirely logical beings. Basically its a gamble with the same odds as a slot machine, seeing that global warning is an accepted theory by most scientists. If everyone used his theory or mode of operation when making decisions, the world would undoubtably be a better place. But many people do not make the right decision. Tens of millions of people gamble and many lose their jobs, houses, families, etc.Unfortunetly politicians are not more responsible than these people.

[EnderX]

Am at work; can't take the time to view a video at the moment. Will try to look and respond tonight.

[jwenting]

seeing that global warning is an accepted theory by most scientists.

There you are utterly wrong! It's far from accepted by "most" scientists, only by most "scientists" (meaning junk science adherents like Al Gore).
Unless of course you mean the knowledge that without the atmosphere trapping heat the temperature on this planet would be roughly -15C on average instead of +15C, but that's not what those "scientists" mean when they say "Global Warming".

But you are excused, the propaganda is indeed relentless and we all know what constantly bombarding people with propaganda while preventing the publication of the truth will do.

[joshSCH]

From what I understand, the average temperature of the Earth has changed only very slightly over the last millennium.. I mean, obviously humans are not taking very good care of the planet.. and global warming is probably occurring; however, it is so at such a small rate that it is almost negligible. I don't see problems with global warming in the immediate future.

[EnderX]

Over the last Millenium? You mean you've never seen anything on the Medieval Warm Period, or the Little Ice Age?

[Sturm]

There you are utterly wrong! It's far from accepted by "most" scientists, only by most "scientists" (meaning junk science adherents like Al Gore).
Unless of course you mean the knowledge that without the atmosphere trapping heat the temperature on this planet would be roughly -15C on average instead of +15C, but that's not what those "scientists" mean when they say "Global Warming".

But you are excused, the propaganda is indeed relentless and we all know what constantly bombarding people with propaganda while preventing the publication of the truth will do.

Who exactly are you talking about? My dad is a "real" scientist. He believes in global warming. My friends dad works at NOAA as a programmer/scientist and he believes in global warming, So who exactly are these scientists that do not believe in global warming? Regardless, the video advocates the proper course of action.

[EnderX]

Question: Doesn't the fact they 'believe' in it tend to indicate that it's not settled fact?

[Sturm]

Actually most scientific papers that address global warming agree that it is happening.

[joshSCH]

..but it isn't something that will affect our lives directly..

[Sturm]

Actually it will. Do not know if this is credible but its interesting.

[joshSCH]

Over the last Millenium? You mean you've never seen anything on the Medieval Warm Period, or the Little Ice Age?

Did I say that there was no fluctuation in temperature at all? Uh, no.. I believe I said the average temperature has not changed much over the last 1000 years or so..

[lasher511]

I think the temperature probably is rising slowly however alot of the arguments and scare tactics used for global warming are ridiculous. Now im all for reducing gas emmisions where possible mainly because i just think we need to take care of the planet. However its seems to me that most of the evidence is based upon temperature recording for the last hundred or so years and assumes that there was a steady increase at the same rate even before records were being kept. So for all we know this could be caused by a natural occurance like solar flares etc that we do not know about. If it is occuring at all.

I think the big hype about all of this is mainly once again reduced to ratings the news companies have found something that scares the people which makes people want to know what is going on about it which creates a greater demand for news about it.

Something the News will not tell you is.

The sea level does not appear to by rising as a result of polar ice caps melting which they have acctually been doing for many years *coughtitaniccough* before it was seen on film anyway. As well as most of the footage of these polar caps breaking away are not even from places like antarctica but rather places where those sort of things are a regular occurance and not just since we have been recording it but for centuries of not millenia. Its been shown that sea levels are not rising infact they are acctually slowly going down by .5mm(i think thats right might be .05) a year. Because as was pointed out due to the increase in heat more and more water is being evaporated out of the ocean which is then ends up either back in the ocean or rained over land mass the larges of which being antarctica where it then becomes ICE increasing antarctica's Mass.

[Dave Sinkula]

Whadda ya all think?

Nice way of repackaging the same pre-determined conclusions.

He supposedly sets out to divorce some issues, but in his grid the suppositions he glosses over are rather the most important aspects.

He minimizes it to an economic part in "A" (see attached picture) and maximizes the effects of "D". If you reverse consequences of "A" and "D", do you reach the same conclusion? Also, even the "B" presumes that a solution will be effective -- this possibility too is conveniently left out.

[Dave Sinkula]

And, FWIW, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5144440326223463384 (part 1 of 8) -- if you've got the time. (It was once available as a single video, but I've lost that link.)

[WaltP]

The average temp over the past 100 years has increased a whopping 1 degree F. Scary!!! :S So if this uncontrolled rise in temp is not checked, we'll be in danger in about 3564AD.

'Global warming' is a naturally occurring phenomenon that is cyclical.

[EnderX]

Did I say that there was no fluctuation in temperature at all? Uh, no.. I believe I said the average temperature has not changed much over the last 1000 years or so..

Considering the fact that much of our current increase in temperature (the same one that everyone is yelling about as 'global warming') appears to be related to the fact that the little ice age is finally ending, I'd say that if the gw temp is important, then so would the gc (global cooling) experienced during the shift into the little ice age. You still haven't found the time to read the Politically Incorrect Guide to Science, have you?

[joshSCH]

Why did you link my post? You said nothing of significance relating to my post.. the fact that there has been a small 'ice age' or not is irrelevant to the fact that the average temperature of this planet has remained constant over the past 1000 years.

And no, I haven't read the "Politically Incorrect Guide to Science", and neither do I care to.. I have been busy.. However, if you want you can post from the book as I'm sure no one else would mind.

[jwenting]

Did I say that there was no fluctuation in temperature at all? Uh, no.. I believe I said the average temperature has not changed much over the last 1000 years or so..

and in another thousand years the average temperature will also not have changed much despite fluctuations...

That's the whole point, what we're experiencing is just natural fluctuation. Nothing special, happens all the time.
Thinking that somehow humans are able to suddenly change the climate dramatically on a global scale indicates a massive dose of homocentric thinking.
Doing so in light of all the evidence to the contrary is just plain idiotic.

Take for example the current hot period on Mars, where temperatures rise far more rapidly than on earth.
It's been concluded that that's caused by increased solar output (can't blame cars for it as there are none...).
But the smaller changes on earth, which happens to be influenced by that very same sun which has a higher output, are supposed to not be influenced by that sun at all according to those same "scientist"s.
Either they have an agenda or they're not very scientific in their assessments.
Most likely both of course, as "scientist"s who don't follow the Party line and report doom and gloom all day long soon loose their research grants and jobs, and thus adopt unscientific processes to show what they're supposed to show by their political masters.
Peer review goes out the door, so goes honesty. Data is chosen, massaged, and made up to fit the preconceived conclusions rather than those conclusions being drawn from all the data available and then having everything scrutinised by your rivals.

[Dave Sinkula]

Data is chosen, massaged, and made up to fit the preconceived conclusions rather than those conclusions being drawn from all the data available and then having everything scrutinised by your rivals.

A "religious" "inquisition"? :)

[jwenting]

yes, essentially.
The "global warming" movement has all the signs of being a rather violent religion.
There's the radical priests (Al Gore, Michal Moore, etc.)
There's the inquisition working to destroy opposing views
And you can feel good about yourself by paying to atone for your sins.

[bumsfeld]

Who exactly are you talking about? My dad is a "real" scientist. He believes in global warming. My friends dad works at NOAA as a programmer/scientist and he believes in global warming, So who exactly are these scientists that do not believe in global warming? Regardless, the video advocates the proper course of action.

Your daddy works for the government, so he believes what ever he is told to believe!

Now here are some real scientists presenting their work on global warming:

YouTube - Global Warming - Doomsday Called Off (1/5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr5O1HsTVgA

YouTube - Global Warming - Doomsday Called Off (2/5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD6VBLlWmCI

YouTube - Globabl Warming - Doomsday Called Off (3/5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZS2eIRkcR0&NR=1

YouTube - Global Warming - Doomsday Called Off (4/5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIbTJ6mhCqk&NR=1

YouTube - Global Warming - Doomsday Called Off (5/5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2XALmrq3ro&mode=related&search=

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YouTube - The Great Global Warming Swindle 1 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f8v5du5_ag&mode=related&search=

YouTube - The Great Global Warming Swindle 2 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2S5OGS-g9g&mode=related&search=

YouTube - The Great Global Warming Swindle 3 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vufPWwsUu_k&mode=related&search=

YouTube - The Great Global Warming Swindle 4 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Ku1_gruaQ&mode=related&search=

YouTube - The Great Global Warming Swindle 5 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zalexeUwtNw&mode=related&search=

YouTube - The Great Global Warming Swindle 6 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvkX3jNjPK8&mode=related&search=

YouTube - The Great Global Warming Swindle 7 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=660hjo4f6Ig&mode=related&search=

YouTube - The Great Global Warming Swindle 8 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0c9K4QGIMY

[jbennet]

I believe that global warming is natural (if we examin ice cores and other evidence we can see that over time, the earth naturally warms up then enters an ice age) BUT i believe that mans CO2 emissions has worsened the problem.

[bumsfeld]

I believe that global warming is natural (if we examin ice cores and other evidence we can see that over time, the earth naturally warms up then enters an ice age) BUT i believe that mans CO2 emissions has worsened the problem.

You make it sound like global warming is a religion.

[Dave Sinkula]

I believe that global warming is natural (if we examin ice cores and other evidence we can see that over time, the earth naturally warms up then enters an ice age) BUT i believe that mans CO2 emissions has worsened the problem.

Is this true even if GHGs are a lagging indicator? What is your opinion regarding that possibility?

[joshSCH]

I believe that global warming is natural (if we examin ice cores and other evidence we can see that over time, the earth naturally warms up then enters an ice age) BUT i believe that mans CO2 emissions has worsened the problem.

I agree with James. "Global Warming" is a natural event that has happened numerous times throughout the history of the Earth.. However, you cannot tell me that human's presence on this planet has not worsened the situation.. It is evident from the porous ozone layer, the heavy pollution throughout the United States (mainly in the North), and all the smog and gas emissions that we are causing Global Warming to happen more quickly or for it to have a much more prominent effect than usual.. but, again, I see no big catastrophes in the near future.. perhaps in hundreds of years the problem will begin to shape.

[Dave Sinkula]

I agree with James. "Global Warming" is a natural event that has happened numerous times throughout the history of the Earth..

but, again, I see no big catastrophes in the near future.. perhaps in hundreds of years the problem will begin to shape.

Evading causation.

If CO2 is the cause, it is a problem. If it is not a cause why the alarmism (of some)?

[lasher511]

If there was no Co2 then all life on earth would cease infact we need Co2 to live

[Dave Sinkula]

Yeah, yeah.

Water it toxic.

I'm not asking at that level.

[jwenting]

You make it sound like global warming is a religion.

It is a religion.
It has all the elements of any religion.
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/religion.htm has an excellent explanation of why this is so.