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I do not understand why you cannot just use the Meet button and then type your message??

For two very good (IMO) reasons.

  1. Using Meet would require sending two messages, the first of which is a canned message that is cumbersome to change for special cases
  2. Using Meet sort of implies I want to make a connection. Usually I do not. As a moderator I just want to send a PM.

For example. let's say a member has posted something that i consider borderline inappropriate. I could

  1. lay on an infraction with a (system limited) brief message which would be visible to all. Or
  2. send a PM with a politely worded rebuke which would be visible to only the offending member

In the second scenario I would not want to prefix the PM with an intro PM with boilerplate text like "Jim wants to say hi." I really don't see what the proble is with the old method

  1. go to the member profile page
  2. enter a message and click Send

I do not understand why you would remove this capability from the moderators.

commented: Thanks for elaborating. I can see why it turned out like this but the front page is something I just don't get. I bet many others don't get it either. +0

OK, so now let's get back to the drawing board. Stop looking at the current Dazah messaging platform as anything related to the old PMs. Instead ... what's wrong with the current platform? It's not meant to be an incarnation of the old PMs. It's meant to be something comparable, yet with a better API, than LinkedIn's messaging platform.

So it's moot. Archive it is.

If you use Jim’s method, they show up in the list just the same. All unarchived conversations do.

Literally the absolute only difference is that, with Jim’s method, the message you want to say is displayed for all to see tacked onto the poster’s post, and there is a permanent record that their post was edited, typically for a rule violation. Without jim’s method, the user gets an introductory email that a moderator has something to say to them. Everything else between the two methods is the same.

Right now, just a few seconds ago I clicked on the message bubble at the top right and it's full of folk I don't know. Yes, I can click on them one by one and archive to clean it up but it's tedious. This is just another reason Jim's method looks like a nice alternative.

Keeps your connections from collecting extra what??? Whether an automated moderation message is sent, or your intro message is sent to kick off a conversation, they are both equally a new connection. One is confusing. The other is not. They both take the same number of clicks.

The API offers the ability to flag messages and conversations, as you’re suggesting. However, as the feature went underused for the past year, I didn’t build it into the new UI. Someone can still write a browser plugin to reincorporate it.

@Dani. Because Jim's method is superior since it keeps my connections from collecting extras. It's a great work around. If there was a way to edit my connections such as "just for DM", "Casual", "Business", and such then I could see using that but as it stands it's like the home page. No controls of filters.

Speaking of the home page, in two or more weeks of landing there just one time did I click on a card there. It's untapped potential to me. So out of over a hundred home page views I clicked on a card and the other times wondered at the picks and items it was showing.

I do not understand why you cannot just use the Meet button and then type your message??

No, no, no ... please do not do Rev Jim's suggestion. It is not great. It's confusing, at best. Insulting, at worst.

If I was a new member to a community, and I made a legit post, and then, when I ask for private communication with a staff member for a website support issue, instead their response was publicly tacked onto my post, I would firstly never visit the website again, and secondly find it highly insulting.

Huh.. Spammer ?

Post Edit reasons are public and everyone can see them.

It is still a much easier way to get a conversation going.

@Dani, that may be so but then my connections get polluted. Since I can't see how to control what's in my connections Reverend Jim's workaround looks great.

Keep in mind that Post Edit reasons are public and everyone can see them. So a post edit message about deleting an account can be kind of rude to tack onto the bottom of someone else’s post. It’s important to always use features the way they are designed. Hacks are sometimes less useful in the long run.

In the Dazah platform, every time there is a message to someone, that’s a connection with them.

I found a silly, but better way. A new member wanted his account deleted so I edited his request (without changing it) with the reason "You can delete your own account by going to your profile pages."

Of course it added the "This is an automated notification..." boilerplate but at least it avoided the "let's get acquainted" text. Sometimes you don't want to make a connection. Sometimes you just wanna send a message.

Before you reply "why didn't you just post that in the thread...", there is no guarantee that he would go to that thread and see it. With a PM he gets a popup the next time he goes to Daniweb.

commented: That is much better. I too thought it weird how the new system ended up. +0

I think there was a bug that has been pseudo-solved on page 1, and now on page 2 of this thread, people are just discussing the browser wars.

If you don't mind please clarify your problem.

Just read the other day that Microsoft is almost as much as worth as Apple, so they obviously are doing something somewhere good again. Not sure where, but somewhere :)

The move by Microsoft to adopt a Chromium-powered version of Edge isn't all good news though. I penned an article last week around this, looking at the potential security implications of a move towards a browser monoculture. Tim Callan, who was part of the team that developed extended validation certificates sums it up when he says "in the certificate space, this monoculture could lessen the influence of many important voices" talking about the likes the IEFT and CA/Browser governance on the interoperability requirements for public PKI mechanisms such as TLS certificates, for example. Interesting times for sure, whether they are necessarily good times is a very different matter.

Apple laptops were great but recently their hardware issues such as the butterfly keyboard and a terrible design flaw have me no longer telling folk to go for Apple laptops if they can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jahtu1_idVU may not seem to be all that terrible but when I was involved in embedded system design this was a thing we never did for the reasons you see in the video.

Today with so many stories of taking an Apple in for repair and what happens next is why I don't give the nod anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2_SZ4tfLns is an example where the store missed what it really was and quoted 1,200 for new board when it was a bent pin on a cable.

Apple appears to be working hard to impede other repair options.

Yeah, but macs have really been strong lately. Microsoft has been losing a lot of market share to Apple, so teaming up with Google to deliver a product that hasn't been their strength at all can be a win for them. Both MS and Google have been competing with Apple in different markets for a very long time now, both with Google smart phones, Windows vs OS X, and the browser market against Safari.

More news about Edge. It appears this change will allow Chrome Add-ons. Very strange news give MSFT and GOOG relationships.

MS Edge using the Chromium engine would be great.

I like the nick "Unhnd_Exception." Too bad we lost him (unless he was a headache).

My tuppence worth, for what that is worth (two pence, did I hear you say?)

Sure. I had to explore a little to find the different options, and some needed more exploration than others. But once I discovered them I didn't find the UI confusing. So, with the profile settings for example, I just worked my way through all the options including the business networking one as I appreciated that DaniWeb and Dazah have become a single entity and it makes sense to make it clear who I'd be interested in connecting with and for what purpose - mainly as a preventative measure to try and stop as many unwanted connection requests as possible truth be told. As far as the 'continue to step 2' thing, even though it doesn't say 'more options' I kind of guessed that there was more left for me to do because there was a second step flagged in the process. Sure, I'm not a newbie to DaniWeb but I am a newbie to this interface and had no access to it as it was being developed - so feel my exposure is as genuine/relevant as any new member. I guess the proof of the pudding will be in bums on seats stats, engagement, retention etc.

So, once again, clear as mud. I had seen Noli mentula on my profile page under Community Profile under Header. I didn't go to the Business Networking page because as a mod/retiree I do not consider myself as a business user and have no interest in business networking. Apparently Noli mentula was migrated automatically to this page with the change-over. Needless to say, I have sinced changed my entry on this page as well.

So let me just ask, what is the difference between text entered under Header (which is far from clear in intent and might as well be labeled "Type something here") and text entered under This message will automatically be sent to users you would like to meet. (which is admirably clear in intent).

"Continue to Step 2 of 2" to me doesn't tell the there are more options. In my apps steps are steps and when there are pages of options we use "More options/settings."

Definitely needs testing with users that are new to DW and you give them simple tasks like "Edit your profile." Control Panel does not tell me I'm going to get to my user settings or profile. There's a disconnect from the menu text and where I'm going.

Of course once you get there by looking around then you know. Navigation signs need work.

On that page you just linked to, notice the bottom of the form says "Continue to Step 2 of 2". It's a 2 page form. Introductory Message is on the second page.

Note that everyone, by default, has an Introductory Message set to something very benign such as, "Nice to meet you! Let's connect." which is similar to the Introductory message that LinkedIn uses. You only need to customize it if you want to.

So I went to my https://www.daniweb.com/connect/profile/update and I see Pitch but no Introductory Message.

Maybe I'm not in my profile yet? To me it seemed odd to tell a person to check their Profile but how to get there (could be wrong right here) was to click on your avatar then Control Panel.

I can't find this "Introductory Message." Never mind, it shows when I click Continue to Step 2 or 2. Still feels like this system is for folk that know where things are.

Headline is just that, your member headline that appers in your member profile.

Your Introductory Message is something different. You can find it in the Business Networking section of your profile settings. It has always had a subheading that has said, "Introductory Message: This message will automatically be sent to users you would like to meet."

commented: I didn't see that. Off to fix mine too. +0

Backstory. A member messaged me about a moderator action so I wanted to see their discussions. How to find their discussions looked elusive.

Here's how to get to their discussions. Click on their avator to get their Dazah page and information then click on Member Stats to see their discussions.

Now you know.