I still fail to see any scientific proof that man can change this. Al Gore used bad science.
The current consensus of real scientists (not the political scientists Gore has allied with him) is that the sun's temperature is increasing. Global warming is also evident on Venus, Mars, Titan, and Europa.
How do we stop the sun?
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Secondly, ice samples show that there was a period of global warming like 1000 years ago just the same as now. If you loook back the ice sampes show that its natural, the earth temp just fluctuates as we go between ice ages
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Seriously man, aren't you tired of this thread?
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I have kind of a different take on the concept of global warming. I believe that, yes, there is global climate change but not global warming. There is no global temperature. Temperatures fluctuate everywhere on the earth and there are periodic warming and cooling trends. Climate change is a different story but not necessarily a bad one. For example, Saudia Arabia was once a thriving forest full of animal life--a vast tropic forest--think Madagascar on a very large scale. That's where the oil came from.
The second law of thermodynamics states that everything tries to reach a state of equilibrium. The earth is a closed system and will keep everything in balance--temperatures, CO2 levels, etc.
Every bit of carbon that exists now on the earth, has always existed--now it exists as people, animals, trees, oil, natural gas, and CO2. Eons ago, that same carbon existed as dinosaurs, mammoths, trees, etc.
The earth will compensate for any changes. If the CO2 level rises beyond a comfortable level, the earth will grow more trees to maintain the balance. It may melt the polar ice caps to maintain the ocean's pH or create Hurricanes to drench areas along coastlines to foster the growth of plants, trees, and promote the growth of certain types of animal life.
Remember: The Earth Maintains a Balance.
Only if external forces such as meteors work on the earth, will you have conspicuous changes to the climate that are unexpected but even these subside after a period of time.
While the idea of global warming makes for good press and gets everyone's dander up--you have to learn to separate fiction from non-fiction.
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people should more aware about global warming...
We are fully aware of it -- we just don't believe it. Global warming is a natural occurence that has occured many times in the earth's history. Al Gore is just a big joke.
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I have kind of a different take on the concept of global warming. I believe that, yes, there is global climate change but not global warming. There is no global temperature. Temperatures fluctuate everywhere on the earth and there are periodic warming and cooling trends. Climate change is a different story but not necessarily a bad one. For example, Saudia Arabia was once a thriving forest full of animal life--a vast tropic forest--think Madagascar on a very large scale. That's where the oil came from.
The second law of thermodynamics states that everything tries to reach a state of equilibrium. The earth is a closed system and will keep everything in balance--temperatures, CO2 levels, etc.
er. Earth is not a closed system - it gets heat from the Sun and radiates heat out to the universe - CO2 is a product of a chemical reaction between Carbon and Oxygen, it is 'created and destroyed' constantly.Every bit of carbon that exists now on the earth, has always existed--now it exists as people, animals, trees, oil, natural gas, and CO2. Eons ago, that same carbon existed as dinosaurs, mammoths, trees, etc.Almost all the elements above Helium were created after the B-B in the heart of Novas and SuperNovas. Material is constantly being added to Earth via various forms of space debris (meteorites, comets, etc) and some of it is organic.The earth will compensate for any changes. If the CO2 level rises beyond a comfortable level, the earth will grow more trees to maintain the balance. It may melt the polar ice caps to maintain the ocean's pH or create Hurricanes to drench areas along coastlines to foster the growth of plants, trees, and promote the growth of certain types of animal life.You seem to be anthropomorphizing Earth here - if this were true, why isn't Earth still a ball of molten rock?Remember: The Earth Maintains a Balance.???? Do you have a cite for this????Only if external forces such as meteors work on the earth, will you have conspicuous changes to the climate that are unexpected but even these subside after a period of time.Volcanoes?? Earthquakes??While the idea of global warming makes for good press and gets everyone's dander up--you have to learn to separate fiction from non-fiction.I think that you might also try to separate fiction from non-fiction.
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We are fully aware of it -- we just don't believe it. Global warming is a natural occurence that has occured many times in the earth's history. Al Gore is just a big joke.
You keep repeating this about Al Gore but offer no rebuttal to any of his points.
And to everyone else - YES! I love this topic, let's keep it alive.
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Stuff near the top:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?secid=1501&status=article&id=315792676809488&secure=1&show=1&rss=1
I like this paragraph -Hansen and his ilk never seem to question whether the government should be involved in behavior modification. They believe so zealously in their cause — establishing an egalitarian society where conspicuous consumption is limited to the few who make the rules — that they have no misgivings about using the police power of the federal and state governments to beat society into shape.. Heh, heh - he never heard of 4-way stops, driving on the right (at least in the US), not stealing from your neighbors, not killing people and all those other forms of behavior modification that rely on the police power of the state. http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?page=article&Article_ID=17408 http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=fabled-northwest-passage-open-for-b-2008-08-27 http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/01/01/nasas-hansen-obama-use-global-warming-redistribute-wealthTeh socialists are coming! Teh socialists are coming! Lud save us from us from the terrible socialists. http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/12/most-embarrassing-global-warming-myths.html I will reuse this link http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?secid=1501&status=article&id=313892396478678&secure=1&show=1&rss=1I like the way they define all scientists who support 'climate change' as political sell-outs and all scientists who deny 'climate change' ashundreds of competent scientists dedicated to the truth - sigh! http://www.memeorandum.com/081211/p16#a081211p16Try this link , followed by this link , and then, when you think you grasp a little about modeling, try the model yourself. Any list of deniers must list anything by Imhofe (de rigeur) http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?page=article&Article_ID=17348 http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=croplands-may-wither-as-global-warming-worsens http://www.globalwarming.org/node/2795And, of course, there is the old "they laughed at " - science got something wrong therefore science is wrong, especially when it disagrees with me.
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How about Local Warming? Could stand some right now!
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