Mars is too far away...

[hughv]

...so, let's move it.
NASA estimates it will cost One Trillion dollars over ten years to reach Mars. Just think of what we could save!

Basics:
Aphelion 249,209,300 km
1.665 861 AU
Perihelion 206,669,000 km
1.381 497 AU
Semi-major axis 227,939,100 km
1.523 679 AU
Eccentricity 0.093 315
Orbital period 686.971 day
Volume 1.6318 × 1011 km³
0.151 Earths
Mass 6.4185 × 1023 kg
0.107 Earths
Mean density 3.934 g/cm³
Equatorial surface gravity 3.69 m/s²
0.376 g
Mars would be a handy place to:
Dump our nuclear waste.
Provide room for our exploding population.
Study astronomy without atmospheric distortion.
Deport residents of Red states (It's the Red planet).
Vacation.
Conduct dangerous experiments.
And others I haven't thought of.

How to go about it?
That's where you come in.
It seems to me we need to stop the rotation first, in order to apply directional force to change the orbit. I'm thinking many large rocket engines arranged along the equator (Fusion powered, of course).
Once the rotation is stopped, swivel the same rocket engines to apply force in the appropriate direction until an orbit similar to Earth's is achieved.
Your thoughts?

[vegaseat]

There is too much dust on Mars. It would be more fun to create some rather large floating islands on Earth.

[hughv]

Where's the forum with the clever people who can help with difficult technical challenges?

[cwarn23]

Where's the forum with the clever people who can help with difficult technical challenges?

Well your posting in it. Also I believe it will be another 291 years before we see humans living on mars - year 2300. Hope to see you then.

[vegaseat]

Well your posting in it. Also I believe it will be another 291 years before we see humans living on mars - year 2300. Hope to see you then.

What would the advantages be to live on mars?

[cwarn23]

What would the advantages be to live on mars?

Then planet is about polluted with global warming making earth unlivable so the temperature would be a lot better on mars if in the next 50 the earths temperature is meant to rise over 7 degrees. So one day earth will be so warm that humans can no longer live on earth which means we will need to move to another planet. That is if the theories of global warming are correct which I don't believe.

[hughv]

So, how do you move something the size of a planet?

[cwarn23]

So, how do you move something the size of a planet?

Teleportation. Scientist have already teleported the first particle. So the technology is going to be available in about the next 10 years so you could just teleport the planet. But why would you move mars or any planet. Mars is fine where it is.

[hughv]

You gotta' read the whole thread. You're just like the blind men and the elephant.

[cwarn23]

You gotta' read the whole thread. You're just like the blind men and the elephant.

I have already read the whole thread but are you saying that since Mars is too far away to get to we should teleport the planet closer so it will be just as accessible as the moon. I don't think very many scientists would be keen on doing that as it would affect Mars orbit.

[GrimJack]

...so, let's move it. NASA estimates it will cost One Trillion dollars over ten years to reach Mars. Just think of what we could save!

(snip)

How to go about it? That's where you come in. It seems to me we need to stop the rotation first, in order to apply directional force to change the orbit. I'm thinking many large rocket engines arranged along the equator (Fusion powered, of course). Once the rotation is stopped, swivel the same rocket engines to apply force in the appropriate direction until an orbit similar to Earth's is achieved. Your thoughts?

Sorry - you can't stop the rotation nor can you stop the revolution; what you do is take them into account (like using English ((why is it called 'English')) in pool). Well, this is actually as far as I want to go - most any force applied to alter the orbit of Mars will tear it apart.

The teleportation idea is better but only a blind optimist would predict availability in 10 years - it took 25 years for the first report of using silicon as a storage medium to getting USB thumb drives.

[hughv]

No.

Teleportation. Scientist have already teleported the first particle. So the technology is going to be available in about the next 10 years so you could just teleport the planet. But why would you move mars or any planet. Mars is fine where it is.

I have already read the whole thread but are you saying that since Mars is too far away to get to we should teleport the planet closer so it will be just as accessible as the moon. I don't think very many scientists would be keen on doing that as it would affect Mars orbit.

[Paul Thompson]

hughv -> Waa waa waa.. They don't agree with me.

Get over it, really, if you want ideas, accept them, discuss them, never just completely discount them. Thats why its called a Discussion Forum.

My personal opinion is that the amount of raw materials as well as money required to either :
A) Move the whole planet
B) Teleport
Would be way beyond our reach.. And 25 years ago people thought we would by flying around in jetpacks with computer implanted in us.. unfortunately that hasnt happened yet :P

So i think we really have just this one chance, so rather than spend trillions of dollars trying to move our planet. Why dont we spend that money fixing what we have now?

[cwarn23]

So i think we really have just this one chance, so rather than spend trillions of dollars trying to move our planet. Why dont we spend that money fixing what we have now?

Well the problem with that is the governments do not believe there is global warming so soon we will be swimming from one building to another instead of driving. So if nobody can admit to the problem (global warming) then how do you expect them to fix it. Very few governments or politicians have admitted to global warming none of which are taking much action. So you have to face the earth is doomed.

[Paul Thompson]

So you have to face the earth is doomed

No i don't. That sounds like someone who has given up. The government is run for the people and by the people. So, if people are serious about climate change (serious enough to want to move the planet) then something can be done. Start small, but it is getting places. Just recently the US announced that they were taking a figure of 17% cut in green house emissions by 2020 (or 2050, cant remember).

Here in Australia a Carbon Trading Scheme is being put through parliment.

People are doing things, and the more public pressure the faster things will get done.

[BestJewSinceJC]

Uhh no. Man is nowhere even close to teleporting an apple, let alone a planet. You're delusional. Also, I'm not a physicist, but I read that article, and they didn't teleport anything in the sense you are implying. They 'teleported' it in the sense that they were able to duplicate a property of the particle, not the particle itself. The article says that they are planning to use it in communication, not that they think it is a breakthrough in the future of teleporting Mars.

[MosaicFuneral]

No-no! The real issue is Manbearpig ! I'm super cereal.

If this BS ACES'09 bill is written into law, I'm breaking out Combat Beard and going on a rampage.

[ithelp]

Here is the simplest solution, send hughv to mars by using some recycled space shuttle . :D

[hughv]

"Waa, waa? "
This is a simple speculative, engineering question, so I'm not sure where the critics are coming from.
You may have a reason that the revolution can't be stopped or sloweed, but I'd like to know what it is. My thought is to do this very gradually, then reinstate it after the orbit has been adjusted.
It seems to me, and my knowledge of orbital mechanics is very limited, that all we're talking about is increasing or reducing the speed at which Mars travels through space. Faster, the size of the orbit increases, slower, it decreases.

Sorry - you can't stop the rotation nor can you stop the revolution; what you do is take them into account (like using English ((why is it called 'English')) in pool). Well, this is actually as far as I want to go - most any force applied to alter the orbit of Mars will tear it apart.

The teleportation idea is better but only a blind optimist would predict availability in 10 years - it took 25 years for the first report of using silicon as a storage medium to getting USB thumb drives.

[Paul Thompson]

Okay... we are missing a major point here. Mars is way too far away. When we discovered water on mars, it was the remains of ice lakes. Mars is cold, very cold. If we went to mars, the new problem would be global cooling. In a massive scale.