female java programmers

[piers]

Something I have noticed with my uni course is that there are so few women on it. Is there some reason why women stay away from the best part of using a computer IE programming in java?

am I a bit strange in getting excited when I finally finish a project which I have just not understood before and then suddenly it drops like the whole using of IndexOf, Substring() etc? One of my lecturers says functional programming is better than OO programming and java is the worst OO language and says computists should be proud to be geeks. Now I certainly disagree with my lecture on his views of functional programming and his views on Java.

are any of you proud to be geeks? :-p

Also how many women are on this forum?

[beatlea]

I'm a woman studying Computer Science. There are more and more of us doing Computing courses :)
I am now learning both, Java and Haskell, and I enjoy them both. Although must admit that I find Haskell easier at the moment. I spend ages trying to find out why my Java programs don't want to cooperate, while learning Haskell takes me 2 hours a week and my programs work fine. But I really want to learn Java and I will eventually :)

[piers]

cool. Its nice to know. The 1 fear I have is I end up like my lecturers male single and dating alcohol. So what I am trying to learn to do is not talk about computing to non computist cus I have found that while some of the stuff I do I think is really interesting it is completely boring to everyone else. Knowing there are some women programmers out there gives me hope that I could meet one and have someone I could be married to who shared my quirky computing interests.
I havnt heard of haskell before.

are you doing any mark up languages?

[Acidburn]

Or you could join social events that your union put on? Or take up a sport. The main reason people end up alone is becuase they don't socialise! So get out and live it a little. Myself are giving American Football a try whilst I'm also an active member of the Christian Union on our campus. Soon to be the president of it... WooT

[javaAddict]

There is a better way to socialize:
3 words for you
World Of Warcraft:icon_smile:

[sanzilla]

I'm a boy who writing this post , anyway this is my open ideas about female java programmers ,

Both men and women are human beings , Technology is for human , no matter you are boy
or a girl the technology is for you and the programmer is a one who are using his knowledge to make the software . Software is a thing that makes human lives more confortable and easy . So programmer is one who doing this .

Something I have noticed with my uni course is that there are so few women on it.

The main problem is that we ( as males) does not likes to give the chances for the girls . But
one thing about this is only the elder generation only have these type of ideas . Honstely AS A BOY I HAVEN'T THIS . and I hope 90% of the boys in my age have the same idea , not the OLD DRUNKED PROFESSORS IDEA . The 1 fear I have is I end up like my lecturers male single and dating alcohol.

Yes the leacture is using the alchol , you better keep him a distance . The people who are
said that we have a PHD degree , and someone who old and so called him as a experience than us (thus beacuse he is only old ) , have these kinds of ideas . They did not really help
to the femal students , why they don't like to see femail as expertises . why the problem is that they are cannot be so called eperienced if women are there . and they are physically head dammaged know ! (PHD , Physically head damage , don't do it ) .

If womens are reading this thread , just listen , our younger generation does not like these kinds of ideas . POW ! the JOHN still takes cigrates ! but we didn't .

anyway the functional programming can be sometime good in some places , for a example think that you have to design a safety critical system like a system to a space shuttle then its better that you implement it with a functional programming method . You can use formal methods for that .

No problem you are a male of a femail , computing world is for you !
please argue my ideas

[DangerDev]

OO programming and java is the worst OO language

its a pathetic openion, probably he doesn't know the beauty of OO programmin,
java is one of the sweetest language on the earth. tell him to learn something about java.

[jwenting]

There are generally few women in IT and most of those are doing work as analysts, trainers, and tech support people.

It's got nothing to do with Java, just the fact that women seem drawn more towards the people side of the business rather than communing with computers.

[Narue]

>Something I have noticed with my uni course is that there are so few women on it.
That's typical.

>Is there some reason why women stay away from the
>best part of using a computer IE programming in java?
Maybe they don't know that the best part of using a computer is programming in Java. It's certainly news to me. :icon_rolleyes: Personally, I don't like the language. I don't like the Java-centric attitude of typical Java programmers, and I despise every piece of Java software I've been forced to use.

[Lioshenka]

In my group of 160 people there are 6 girls. However, I hate Java and will never be able to get anything working in it, while they, as far as I know, are quite good in programming in Java.

Wasn't the first programmer a lady BTW?

[jwenting]

The feeling is mutual Narue, we hate C++ :)

C# OTOH looks nice.

[Ezzaral]

The feeling is mutual Narue, we hate C++ :)

C# OTOH looks nice.

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[Narue]

>The feeling is mutual Narue, we hate C++
I'm not a fan of C++ either, I simply tolerate it because C programmers these days are expected to do C++ as well.

>C# OTOH looks nice.
C# is closer to what I expected of Java.

[Ezzaral]

>C# OTOH looks nice. C# is closer to what I expected of Java.

That same sentiment was expressed by one of the designers of C# in some article I read. Basically saying the goal was to incorporate many things that Java got right and address some areas they felt were lacking. I've only had minimal exposure to it, since my job is 100% Java, but it seems like a decent language to me. I wouldn't have any qualms working in it if we had a need to.

[jwenting]

Same here, and with the wholesale destruction that 1.7 seems to be going to bring to the language in terms of readability and ease of use I'm seriously considering making the switch to C# and abandoning what I'm starting to see as a sinking ship.

1.6 was bad, 1.7 looks to be an unmittigated disaster.

[jbennet]

c# is nice, i went from VB.NET to it. Seems a little too structured at times, if you know what i mean

[prushik]

Personally, I don't like the language. I don't like the Java-centric attitude of typical Java programmers, and I despise every piece of Java software I've been forced to use.

AMEN

[~s.o.s~]

Will code for money; it doesn't matter whether it's C, C++, Java or C# as long it's a general purpose, fairly famous programming language. It's my job to churn out quality software which I think I am quite good at, though I must agree the language you program in greatly influences the way you look at things in terms of the initial requirement and the final outcome.

BTW, all the lady Java programmers I have seen either moved on to something simple like Testing or into Project Management. I guess Java is too much to handle for them. ;-)

[neocoder]

I've asked myself that question a few times..I think it's that women often just don't see themselves "in the role" of the software geek, like they cant visualise it. I'm an average guy, not massively smart, but I get by because its a passion of mine and I see myself as a geek.

I use Java primarily for the absolutely enormous number of free frameworks and libraries available for it. And there are some cool Java frameworks out there, thats for sure.

Unfortunately, as Java ages, the likes of Sun and the various framework developers are injecting more power into Java technology, making the learning curve and ease of entry into Java harder. Java seems to be bloating out a bit and getting crusty in its old age.

piers, I recommend you read Beyond Java, by Bruce Tait. Java's got a while to go yet, and there's heaps of work out there for you if you decide to invest in Java, but leaner meaner languages and frameworks (as discussed in this book) are waiting for their turn.

[neocoder]

PS. What I mean by learning of curve of Java is that when you use Java you have to also use a number of the frameworks built on it, like J2EE etc.