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Yzk
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Certified Electronic Technician (C.E.T.) -- 3 Journeyman certificates (Consumer, Industrial, & Audio) since 1976, A+ Certified.

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Whether it be Windows, Linux, college, etc. What kind of degree/certification do you have that makes you a computer guru/geek? All I have is an associates degree in networking


Well, the first thing you have to understand Blue is that a Cert is not a sure gurantee that you wiil get a better job or more money. A perfect example of this is the flood of "paper" MCSEs out there. I'm not sure I'd let half of them load aVCR tape let alone an operating system.
The next thing to keep in mind is that employers are looking for a number of things, which include Certs but more likely they will look at your experience and a laundry list of other things. Take my word on this one, My friend/boss is actively involved in our recruiting process.
Another important point is that Certs are like clothing fads, they are constantly changing and who knows which one will be hot next. A good example of this is the infamous Novell CNE Cert. I know that my company (years ago) spent tens of thousands of dollars on Novell training for others and today they are about as usefull as used toilet paper.
To sum it up, obtaining Certs is one small part of a well rounded IT professional. Look to balance experience with Certificates. You'll also need to be able to sell yourself to employers which means you will need social skills. One step further on this, you'll need to be able to translate "techie terms" to non technical co workers and managment. As if this isn't enough, you'll need to compete against thousands of others who are trying to do a better job at it than you are.
So you see, it's not what Cert will get me where I need to go, it's, "What things do I need to master in order to stand out from a crowd and leverage opportunities when I am successful at doing so?".
Make sense?
If you walked in to an interview with me and my boss and all you had was a piece of paper/CERT and you couldn't answer questions to demonstrate a high level of techincal unsderstanding, We would direct you to the nearest bathroom and tell you how to use that piece of paper. Then go have lunch at a nice place like we usually do!

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I have a little knowledge about computers, I love technology and have been working in the cell phone industry for 5 years. I am looking into skidmore college in white plains NY, I would be taking the IT series pc and networking design with security program, this will make me msce certified along with scnp certified. My question is will this pay off? Can anyone with these certs tell me how it worked out for you. Thanks

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I have a little knowledge about computers, I love technology and have been working in the cell phone industry for 5 years. I am looking into skidmore college in white plains NY, I would be taking the IT series pc and networking design with security program, this will make me msce certified along with scnp certified. My question is will this pay off? Can anyone with these certs tell me how it worked out for you. Thanks

ANYONE OUT THERE????

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Well, as I see it, you can learn a lot while fullfilling your Cert requirements, or you can learn nothing. If learning is your goal, then the riggors of achieving certification will definetly help you. My customers really never ask me about my certifications, but they are all happy that I know what I know. One of the problems with NOT going through the certification process is simply that you don't know what you don't know. I don't remember where I first heard that, but the person was dead on. The certification processes that I have been through, force you to look into the nooks and crannys of things that you might otherwise have only paid casual or no attention to. It's worth the trouble, but it's not a magic bullet. You will have to do the work and then prove that you can actually think and put it to use in the marketplace.

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oops...forgot to sign in....

i have a A+ took it the last day before it changed over to include linux. Now i think i don't have to re-take it.

would like to do other things other in IT other than fix pc's as a p/t hobby...not sure where to start.... :cool:

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Well, as I see it, you can learn a lot while fullfilling your Cert requirements, or you can learn nothing. If learning is your goal, then the riggors of achieving certification will definetly help you. My customers really never ask me about my certifications, but they are all happy that I know what I know. One of the problems with NOT going through the certification process is simply that you don't know what you don't know. I don't remember where I first heard that, but the person was dead on. The certification processes that I have been through, force you to look into the nooks and crannys of things that you might otherwise have only paid casual or no attention to. It's worth the trouble, but it's not a magic bullet. You will have to do the work and then prove that you can actually think and put it to use in the marketplace.


Thanks for the info, just out of curiosity what field are you working in?

LearningIT
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I'm cerified in:

C++
Java
And almost C#

Ghost
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i know the A+ isnt anything to brag about, but here i am. I didnt have to pay for the class, i just sign up for it. The cost of the certification test is only like $50, and if i pass they give back $30.


CISM
CISA
CISSP

Well the cost of my CISSP was worth it. If you're going to study for the CISSP, most of study books are useless.
The CISSP Prep guide is garbage. My old roommate had it, and although it is an excellent resouce book, it is a poor tool for preparing for the exam.

CISSP is geard toward consulting and not technical knowledge. Know how your encryption formats are used, not how they work. Don't worry about specific laws or HIPAA stuff as the book goes on and on about... only a few such questions are on the test and then tend to be logical and requiring no specific knowledge, same for other specific standards or guidelines.

Just know how technologies, policies, and standards are intended to be used and you will pass with flying colors.

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Hello,

I have the Bachelor's of Science, Microsoft Certified Professional, Certified Netware Administrator (4.1.1), and an Amateur Radio License.

Christian

kc0arf
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I'm certified by my psychiatrist.

Narue
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No certs ("now with Retsin!"). Just work experience. But I'm not in IT, where they seem to be more desired by employers. Engineering seems to be mostly about what you've done recently. Sorta like "we're building a new space shuttle. . . have you ever done that?" :-)

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I currently have no certifications, hopefully will before the end of the school year, working on my Microsoft Software Development Certification *MSDC* class and next year I'll work on my Computer Development and Management Certification.

Young Teck 06
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Actually, lets see, where is some places online that I can get Microsoft Certifications online, for teens?

Young Teck 06
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B.Sc. in Pharmacy & Pharmaceutical Sciences, Honors in Computer Systems Technology.

By next fall I plan to have my Certification for Asthma Educator, and Diabetes Educator.

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I have a BTEC Computer Engineering qualification. It's a bit like the A+ course. Other than that I'm currently in the second year of a three year Honours degree in Computer Science with Business Information Engineering at Hull University. If I get my degree then I'll automatically become a full member of the British Computer Society and have partial CEng accreditation.

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Finished my exams of late and got a few new certificates
- Cisco (new version) seminar 2
- MS Access 2002 (Database)
- Service Desk level 3 (there is 1 to 4)

Yzk
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Actually, lets see, where is some places online that I can get Microsoft Certifications online, for teens?

There really aren't any such places, especially not specifically "for teens", as you put it. Basically, what you'll want to do is just get up the $170 US (Or whatever it costs now), and go to a testing location. Just be sure that you're sure that you can pass it, because if not, you just blew $170.

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heh heh.....

Sorta like 'Alphabet Soup' in here, isn't it, and IT-wise ole Catweazle is 'illetterate'! :)

Graduated from the School of the back shed, with advanced capabilities in system construction, hardware knowledge and troubleshooting techniques, and that was enough to get me a 'Gig' as an expert contributor with the most successful PC magazine in Australia.

Funny thing is, nowadays I often find myself fielding questions from some of those 'lettered' folk :D

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