Ever Notice this?

[TKS]

Have you ever noticed that in this forum under TechSupport...you have more people in the Macro$haft area than in the Linux area?

Just thought it was weird. I mean, I know when I got firebird configured just right for slackware...I haven't had to do jack squat for it. And using swaret...I'm set for packages. Anytime a security update comes out...I'm set within 1 hour. Makes me wonder how Macro$haft got anywhere at all.

I love Linux! :P :cheesy:

[RC_Razor]

im with you on that one LINUX is the shitz...... i hate micro$hady so much but after all you have to have something to fix...lol

[twilli227]

TKS, alot off people learned to use a computer using windows. They either don't want to get out of their comfort zone or don't need to. Windows will take care of their needs(word proccesor, e-mail, games, etc.) Just be glad that you have an option to use a different OS.
To each his own, use what works best for you.

[RC_Razor]

i agree , but my opion still stands .... i hate micro$hady ... but yeah to each his own... like Cingular says "What fits you best" /// i hate work too..

[Epro]

>>>>>TKS, alot off people learned to use a computer using windows. They either don't want to get out of their comfort zone or don't need to. Windows will take care of their needs(word proccesor, e-mail, games, etc.)<<<<<<

I didn't know how to word that but you toke the words straight out of my mouth

[oalee]

would you believe that most ordinary people who uses computers don't even know how to use the MS-DOS shell? then, how would you expect them to use *nix? I always wanted to install linux on my pc, but my brothers/sisters/parents wont be able to use them. since they use it only for surfing, chatting, and word processing.

[alc6379]

would you believe that most ordinary people who uses computers don't even know how to use the MS-DOS shell? then, how would you expect them to use *nix? I always wanted to install linux on my pc, but my brothers/sisters/parents wont be able to use them. since they use it only for surfing, chatting, and word processing.

If that's all they're doing, they can definitely do all of that in Linux. There's a wider selection of browsers, good chat clients, and there are a few good word processors.

If you don't want to install Linux, you can still run it-- there's always KNOPPIX . It's a bootable CD containing a complete Linux system. From there, you can do anything you can do with an installed Linux system.

[samaru]

Have you ever noticed that in this forum under TechSupport...you have more people in the Macro$haft area than in the Linux area? Just thought it was weird. I mean, I know when I got firebird configured just right for slackware...I haven't had to do jack squat for it. And using swaret...I'm set for packages. Anytime a security update comes out...I'm set within 1 hour. Makes me wonder how Macro$haft got anywhere at all. I love Linux! :P :cheesy:

Are you a Linux advocate? If so, just keep in mind that Linux advocacy does not mean Microsoft bashing. I'm mentioning this by how you constantly demean the word Microsoft ("Macro$haft"). Linux/open source advocates tend to forget this. I say this because Microsoft bashing insults and irritates people, which is a lot of times why they turn away from Linux. Rather then basing Linux purely as a piece of software, they base it on the attitude of Microsoft haters. This is truly disgusting. Again, I'm not saying it's you, but you'll see what I mean if you post something like "I love Microsoft" at slashdot (where the admins there ridicule Microsoft all the time, yet have Microsoft ads on the site).

As much as I love Linux, people have told me that they loathe it. I think part of this has more to do with the community than the software. Also, I'm not trying to be on anyone's side. Linux and Windows both have their uses. I'm neutral towards both. I'm a computer science major, and all we use at our university is either Linux or Unix. One thing I can't stand though is the arrogance of Linux people when it comes to discussing anything from Microsoft. I'm not saying they're arrogant people in general, just when it comes to anything Microsoft related. This in itself is a stereotypical comment, I know. Not all people are like that. But I've met about 50 people who are pro-Linux and I can say that out of 50, 45 of them were arrogant and would rather take a bullet in the head than mix the words "good" and "Windows" in the same sentence. I'm not just talking about students, but also professors who are in the 40's and 50's. This also applies to people in forums.

Anyways, this is just a rant. I posted something like this at a few open source forums, and got about a million flames for my so called "stupid post," as they put it. This is the kind of attitude that gives the Linux/open source community a bad name.

[alc6379]

...not to mention that the use of the word "shaft" in this regard is probably a violation of the board's terms of service regarding profanity...

[TKS]

I tried Knoppix and it impressed me very little. Main reason being, everyone was flocking onto the knoppix bandwagon and it has a VERY hard time detecting any DELL system out there as well as Gateway. And that is what I make firewalls with for all my family and friends. So, I needed something that detected hardware better and was more windows like.

So, after 3 months of continuous cycling of distros through my CDR...I found it. MEPIS Linux. I liked MEPIS so much, I installed it onto that 20GB hard disk. I am currently training my entire family on openoffice.org 1.1 and will soon go to an entire Linux household. But I wouldn't have without MEPIS. Give that one a try sometime, you'll like it.

[TKS]

you constantly demean the word Microsoft ("Macro$haft").

Simply put...I use Macro$haft so I don't get held responsible for defamation. Plus, that's exactly what I feel I'm getting every time I boot up on WinXP...the shaft. The thing that gets me is the price....I'll post some more about this in the proper forum. But that's why I use that term...I don't hate the software...I hate the outrageous price. Hence the name...plus if I used Micro$oft how it is supposed to and accidentally defamed the name...I could get some legal action taken against me. I just cover my #### all the time.


As far as usage of the word 'shaft,' here's the dictionary definition:MerriamWebster Online
Main Entry: shaft
1 : to fit with a shaft
2 : to treat unfairly or harshly

There ya go! You won't see me use any profanity ever...100% guarantee of that.

[alc6379]

As far as usage of the word 'shaft,' here's the dictionary definition: MerriamWebster Online Main Entry: shaft 1 : to fit with a shaft 2 : to treat unfairly or harshly There ya go! You won't see me use any profanity ever...100% guarantee of that.

"to treat unfairly or harshly"

Without going into too many specifics... think about it. Getting a shaft... I'm sure this post will be moderated out (as it probably should be), but if you were to get a "shaft" somewhere or somehow, how might that be considered a bad, harsh, or unfair thing by most? Merriam Webster chose that definition because it defines the term without really giving a nod to the sexual/obscene nature of the colloquialism.

[WEATHER CHANNEL]

Have you ever noticed that in this forum under TechSupport...you have more people in the Macro$haft area than in the Linux area? Just thought it was weird. I mean, I know when I got firebird configured just right for slackware...I haven't had to do jack squat for it. And using swaret...I'm set for packages. Anytime a security update comes out...I'm set within 1 hour. Makes me wonder how Macro$haft got anywhere at all. I love Linux! :P

You are defending systems that are too weak to even be evaluated against the DOD-STD-5200.28? And a system that scored a pathetic EAL2 against ISO-15408? A single level system, with a super user and trasitive rights? A monolithic system ("finitie state machine? duh what is that?") with perhaps the least finely grained access control model of any OS? A system which features no integrity controls, no temporal access controls, no trusted subsystems, no security kernel, no network flags, no structured domains, no CAF, no serperation of administrators and operators, no ISO account, no covert channel protections, no secure logon sequence even.
Yeah let's talk about security, but speak in facts... not personal attacks, accusations, or highly subjective terms... personal observations and the likes.


Edit**********According to the good people of ISO-15408 auditing, Windows is more secure than Linux.
According to the good people of the DOD, Windows is more secure than Linux.
IMHO....I have no desire to "work" with such systems beside on the hobby level, the whole Linux movement doesn't do anything for me. I like to work within more mature development models. ;)

[TKS]

I rate it like this...and of course, who am I? But, if you hadn't mentioned the ISO stuff and DOD STD I wouldn't have known about them either...so who are they? It really gets into a semantic debate about who can write their name in the snow better. Regardless, I stick with the one that does best for me...which is the one you stick with. Each has vulnerabilities and each one has flaws as there are no perfect systems. I just go with the one that has less viruses. Period.

Say all you want regarding anything and everything...I spent 3 hours getting Welchia, Netsky.D, and the Bliss.c trojan off my windows machine yesterday. My linux box hummed along right beside it, oblivious to anything. So, that is my reason for going with Linux. I don't care what anyone else tells me about it...I mean, they could tell me that a Pinto is a piece of dung to drive...but I dig Pintos...know what I mean? To each their own. Speaking of which...as a DoD employee...I can tell you that the DoD isn't someone I would trust with rating technology. We just upgraded our Pentium II's last month...We still have 2 machines with Pentium III's on them....which might be fine and dandy at some places...but this is supposed to be state of the art? Bah...don't get me started there. I'll leave it at that...I've went off on a rant enough. Please don't take this personal anyone...it is just a matter of who prefers what...and I am conceding that. :D

[WEATHER CHANNEL]

I rate it like this...and of course, who am I? But, if you hadn't mentioned the ISO stuff and DOD STD I wouldn't have known about them either...so who are they? It really gets into a semantic debate about who can write their name in the snow better. Regardless, I stick with the one that does best for me...which is the one you stick with. Each has vulnerabilities and each one has flaws as there are no perfect systems.

UN*X/Linux users fail to understand basic security principals of transitive rights or basic OS design fundementals like the advantages of the microkernel.
Their OS of choice conveys it clearly enough.;)
If you disagree, don't flame me, I am just telling you what those criteria say... go flame the NCSC or the NSA etc..... cause they wrote it, not me. :) http://www.radium.ncsc.mil/tpep/
http://www.sei.cmu.edu/cmm/ linux is at one.
I just go with the one that has less viruses. Period.Say all you want regarding anything and everything...I spent 3 hours getting Welchia, Netsky.D, and the Bliss.c trojan off my windows machine yesterday. Doesn't the DoD school you on how to handle your resources correctly? Speaking of which...as a DoD employee...I can tell you that the DoD isn't someone I would trust with rating technology. We just upgraded our Pentium II's last month...We still have 2 machines with Pentium III's on them....which might be fine and dandy at some places...but this is supposed to be state of the art? Bah...don't get me started there.First of all, even if you did work for the DoD(and I hope we are talking about the same DoD). The DoD is all over our country USA, examples: Pentagon,cheyenne MT(NORAD) ect.....point being offices, they are all over the country. I'm sure they have people who clean the bathrooms ect... but to say they have outdated products is really retarded. For example they have several HYDRA's http://www.bodacion.com/ need I say more.......


Please don't take this personal anyone...it is just a matter of who prefers what...and I am conceding that. :DSomething tells me that you are thinking I'm pro microsoft which would be wrong, I'm pro (TOS) ;)

[i686-linux]

The forums are meant to be used for sharing ideas and helping people out. By starting holy-wars about "Which operating system is cooler" you are shying people away in search of valuable information. Microsoft serves it's purpose in the world just as Linux or any other operating system does. Please refrain from continuing to flame on about this topic in this forum. Such conversations may be held in the Geek Lounge or in personal messages.

[oalee]

Of what I remembered, this thread started off with a question on why the MS forums are having more participants than the non-MS forums... now, I'm wondering how and why it became a debate on which OS is better... ???

[WEATHER CHANNEL]

The forums are meant to be used for sharing ideas and helping people out. By starting holy-wars about "Which operating system is cooler" you are shying people away in search of valuable information. Microsoft serves it's purpose in the world just as Linux or any other operating system does. Please refrain from continuing to flame on about this topic in this forum. Such conversations may be held in the Geek Lounge or in personal messages.

Why can't someone post facts about a system being inferior without everyone thinking it is something personal? (especially linux users in general get offended, why is that?)

I find it disturbing how many people go into Linux with their eyes completely closed just because some 1337 kids online said it was cool and it is always popular to root for the underdog.
You will notice that I don't post opinions about Linux ("it blows" etc) I merely cite facts about it. In this thread I noted it's EAL2 rating, that is a fact.

So what's wrong with educating people on facts about operating systems?


Oh, bb's are not finite, as what people post, people are not robots and machines.

[samaru]

Why can't someone post facts about a system being inferior without everyone thinking it is something personal? (especially linux users in general get offended, why is that?) I find it disturbing how many people go into Linux with their eyes completely closed just because some 1337 kids online said it was cool and it is always popular to root for the underdog. You will notice that I don't post opinions about Linux ("it blows" etc) I merely cite facts about it. In this thread I noted it's EAL2 rating, that is a fact. So what's wrong with educating people on facts about operating systems? Oh, bb's are not finite, as what people post, people are not robots and machines.

WEATHER CHANNEL, you're welcomed to give your opinions on ANY topic. Whether it's software, hardware, ideas, or anything related in the field of computers, or anything else for that matter. You can even attack it, and ridicule it. However, notice how I'm NOT mentioning people. When you say the following:UN*X/Linux users fail to understand basic security principals of transitive rights or basic OS design fundementals like the advantages of the microkernel.but to say they have outdated products is really retardedSomething tells me that you are thinking I'm pro microsoft which would be wrong, I'm pro (TOS)I find it disturbing how many people go into Linux with their eyes completely closed
you're no longer attacking issues, you're attacking people basing it only on the contents of a post. THIS is what leads to flaming. When you start questioning people's intelligence for having their own opinions, it's when battles start. I understand the passion you have for your beliefs, but please respect the opinions of others.

[TKS]

Of what I remembered, this thread started off with a question on why the MS forums are having more participants than the non-MS forums... now, I'm wondering how and why it became a debate on which OS is better... ???

I was wondering that myself. I didn't mean to start a war :cry: