Undefendable?

[Aia]

That word got stuck in my ears as I forced myself to watch to the end. Why do we even have to question such unspeakable actions against the innocent and defenseless?
You tell me what kind of creature are we by standing without doing anything about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foSW-CkWbqI
To which God (or not) you pray to is irrelevant. To which political ideology or party you affiliate with, it is irrelevant. Are we human beings or not?

[GrimJack]

Sorry - I should have known your post would have been cr*p but I thought you had some decency left.

I was wrong so I will repeat something said more that 50 years ago:
Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?

[Ene Uran]

Using those arguments would make the pilot of a Navy fighter bomber "accidentally" dropping bombs on civilians a mass murderer.

There is no sense of decency amongst smear mailers!

[GrimJack]

I think the word you were looking for in the title was indefensible - just for future reference.

[Aia]

Using those arguments would make the pilot of a Navy fighter bomber "accidentally" dropping bombs on civilians a mass murderer.[...]

Do you understand that there's not accident in this law? Do you know that these babies are born alive, and doctors and nurses are forbidden to render any assistance to save them?
Are you aware that these little ones are left to die, struggling for air, since their little lungs are not quite developed? Do you know we have the power to do good and save them but purposely deny such assistance, bonded by law of the land?
It doesn't matter how's camouflaged, a law that allows this to happen is a crime, not an accident.
My mind is struggling to understand how it is possible that there's people among us which are stripped of the human values that would prevent this to happen. And I am talking from lawmakers that conceived the idea, supported and uphold it; all the way to people that think is acceptable. May justice fall upon them, and as a reward receive an ignominious death in measured kind.I think the word you were looking for in the title was indefensible - just for future reference.
That's why it has a? at the end. However, the word I would like to have used is despicable.

[VernonDozier]

The video you link is from 2000 and has this title:

Obama's Crime Against Humanity—Infanticide

Hardly anyone had even heard of Obama in 2000. I certainly didn't watch the whole video, but what does Obama have to do with an abortion video from 2000?

[Aia]

The video you link is from 2000 and has this title:

Obama's Crime Against Humanity—Infanticide

Hardly anyone had even heard of Obama in 2000. I certainly didn't watch the whole video, but what does Obama have to do with an abortion video from 2000?

Have I mention the precious Obama at anytime? Does it change the outcome who or when?
If you would had watched to the end of it, perhaps you would have received an answer to your last question. In three different occasion he voted against legislature that would stop that barbaric actions and would protect the life of these innocent ones. Are you going to pull a statute of limitation on me now?
Let me clarified that this is not about him who comes to save us all, certainly there's many more lawmakers involved.

[VernonDozier]

Have I mention the precious Obama at anytime? Does it change the outcome who or when? If you would had watched to the end of it, perhaps you would have received an answer to your last question. In three different occasion he voted against legislature that would stop that barbaric actions and would protect the life of these innocent ones. Are you going to pull a statute of limitation on me now? Let me clarified that this is not about him who comes to save us all, certainly there's many more lawmakers involved.

I watched the first two minutes of it originally and didn't see anything about Obama. After reading this response, I skimmed later and I see where Obama comes in. You can't post a 10 minute video with a title that says "Obama's Crime Against Humanity—Infanticide" from a clearly partisan You Tube channel with other videos with titles like

"Salon.com's Liberal Lesbians Attack Sarah "

and claim that you aren't mentioning Obama or that:To which political ideology or party you affiliate with, it is irrelevant.

Don't start a thread like this and claim that it's not political.

[Aia]

>Don't start a thread like this and claim that it's not political.
I haven't made such a claim. This is obviously political since I have outspoken against lawmakers that justify this law.

You can't post a 10 minute video with a title that says "Obama's Crime Against Humanity—Infanticide" from a clearly partisan You Tube channel with other videos with titles like

"Salon.com's Liberal Lesbians Attack Sarah "

and claim that you aren't mentioning Obama or that:

Why can I not? I have come to enough evidence that the testimony given it is the truth.
It is political charged with mister Obama in the thick of it, but to avoid it is like taking a bath and pretend not to get wet.

[GrimJack]

That's why it has a ? at the end. However, the word I would like to have used is despicable.

No, the question mark is there because you have no clue. I saw the '?' and assumed that you had an open mind and were looking for answers. Instead you point to an anti-Obama screed. I will paraphrase my first quote:Have you no shame, at long last lady, have you no shame?

If despicable is what you would like to have used, then why didn't you use despicable? If you somehow believe that Fox News in general and BO'R in particular are a good source of anything other than rightwing propaganda, then say so up front - do not mislead us by pretending you have a question.

[GrimJack]

I have come to enough evidence that the testimony given it is the truth. It is political charged with mister Obama in the thick of it, but to avoid it is like taking a bath and pretend not to get wet.

If you have come to enough evidence then bring to us this real evidence. Do research; find articles from medical journals; find articles from legal documents. Then bring Obama into the evidence with quotes from his speeches or position papers. Please, at least follow some of the rules of discourse.

Or just spew cr*p from your comfortable little cocoon, your choice.

[Aia]

I saw the '?' and assumed that you had an open mind and were looking for answers.

You assumed incorrectly. I am not looking for answers, and I am not open minded. The truth is the truth regardless of the spin. And it is its own best ambassador.do not mislead us by pretending you have a question.
I have not mislead anyone. You are not us or everyone. If you feel mislead is due to your own presumptions and bigotry.

>Last edited by GrimJack : 19 Hours Ago at 18:34. Reason: I know that Aia is female, I just wanted to keep the quote whole
You know nothing and you can prove it.

For the record, I am against Obama or anyone that has the same ideas that Obama. In a matter of fact, now more than ever.
Nevertheless, any one lawmaker that has such little respect and disregard for human life, especially, of those innocent little one, are as equal as a rotten carcass infected with putrefied-fresh eater maggots.
Am I clear enough for you? Am I misleading you in anyway?

[GrimJack]

You assumed incorrectly. I am not looking for answers, and I am not open minded. The truth is the truth regardless of the spin. And it is its own best ambassador.

I can see that; you are bigoted and hold on to your beliefs with considerable vigor (or rage - you be the judge)I have not mislead anyone. You are not us or everyone. If you feel mislead is due to your own presumptions and bigotry. please show me my bigotry without showing yours>Last edited by GrimJack : 19 Hours Ago at 18:34. Reason: I know that Aia is female, I just wanted to keep the quote whole
You know nothing and you can prove it.You are correct - I have only your word to go on and you are telling me I should not trust that.For the record, I am against Obama or anyone that has the same ideas that Obama. In a matter of fact, now more than ever.Okay, we understand that; to be honest, once you tell us you are not open-minded - it becomes more difficult to care.Nevertheless, any one lawmaker that has such little respect and disregard for human life, especially, of those innocent little one, are as equal as a rotten carcass infected with putrefied-fresh eater maggots.
Am I clear enough for you? Am I misleading you in anyway?Wow, Did you get any saliva on your screen or keyboard you are definitely clear enough for me. Do you know that doctors use putrefied-flesh(I am sure you meant 'flesh' rather than 'fresh') eating maggots to clean out wounds - they actually seal the maggots into the wound because maggots do not eat live flesh, only dead flesh. This helps in those situations where gangrene has already set in. Now I understand that you are not interested in learning anything new but you know what:I do not care, if you continue to post, I will continue to try to help you open your mind.

[Aia]

>Okay, we understand that; to be honest, once you tell us you are not open-minded - it becomes more difficult to care.
Experience has shown me that the open-minded phrase it is used by those that do not like when others do not agree with them. No, I am not open minded. I am quite sure of what I am saying, and I accept all truth without prejudice, once I learn that it is true.

I don't have reason to doubt the testimony of nurse Jill Staneck. Nevertheless, here it is the roll call record for bill 1082, where Barack Obama, as chairman of an Illinois state Senate committee, voted down said bill to protect live-born survivors of abortion, in 2003.
http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/ObamaKills2003amendedBAIPA.htm
At the right hand column it shows the roll call from Obama and fellow Democrats.

>I do not care, if you continue to post, I will continue to try to help you open your mind.
Oh my, how presumptuous of you.

[GrimJack]

Like I have said before "If only ignorance were painful"

Of course I am presumptuous; how could I not be, especially as I choose this definition: impertinently bold; forward.

[Aia]

>Like I have said before "If only ignorance were painful"
...you would be begging your doctor for bigger and stronger pain-killer.

[Chaky]

That word got stuck in my ears as I forced myself to watch to the end. Why do we even have to question such unspeakable actions against the innocent and defenseless? You tell me what kind of creature are we by standing without doing anything about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foSW-CkWbqI To which God (or not) you pray to is irrelevant. To which political ideology or party you affiliate with, it is irrelevant. Are we human beings or not?

Abortion is only one of the self-centered acts that humans do. And it is not the worst of them. At least "abortion" sounds somewhat technical, civilized.. a routine if you like. With abortion there is at least some emotional detachment. Far worse is same thing being done as an act of hatred or some demented sense of satisfaction.
Imagine this: 2-month-old baby nailed with a 10-inch knife trough the chest to a wooden post. And the only reason for it was the nationality of the baby. Sounds like some b-horror plot? Or a legacy from the dark ages? Nope. It is an event that took place some 15 years ago.
My point is: those things are still happening no matter how "enlightened" we think people are.

Here is my quick-list of human-specific categories of irrational, yet widely accepted behaviors:

- annual slaughter of baby seals and skinning them alive.. and for what? Money? Food? NO!! For a fashion statement and a social status symbol.. (I'm referring to consumers of the final product that are making the market for it. How vain and self-centered can one be, I ask myself.). I used the baby-seals because they are the most popular.. in reality, it is a common practice in the leather and fur industry to skin animals alive. They say that fur looks prettier that way..

- brainwashing 15yo girls to blow themselves up in a overcrowded plaza (I'm sure that it was not their idea) or making soldiers out of 9yo boys (9yo kids should be playing with toy-guns.. not killing with real ones)

- walking through the forest, armed with 12-gauge, night vision, binoculars and a camouflage outfit, killing animals at random, perceive it as a recreational pass-time and calling it a sport. (A Sport? A SPORT!!?? It would be a sport only if deer had guns too. Humans are THE ONLY creatures that kill for fun.)

- Using lies to influence the masses and provoke them to do all sorts of the hate-driven monstrous atrocities, like murders, lynches, genocides, wars.. or just a plain "it's OK to wage wars" approval.. IT IS NOT OK AND IT WILL NEVER BE!!

- Killing unborn babies.. that is an extreme display of how unwanted some babies are. Or even worse: a display of how trivialized a human life has become.

Unwanted babies.. When I think about that term, I can't help but to assume that it is acceptable to think that babies can live only if their moms WANT to have a baby at that particular moment. Otherwise, a baby is nothing more than a benign tumor that needs to be removed. Also, WANTED baby must be some sort of pet or a fashion accessory (or a publicity stunt, if you are a celebrity).

I guess some people just can't wait for an excuse to kill somebody.
I guess the existence of one is the reason enough.

[GrimJack]

>Like I have said before "If only ignorance were painful" ...you would be begging your doctor for bigger and stronger pain-killer.

Heh,heh - I played that game in first grade, it was boring even then - the whole rubber/glue thing.

Anyway, thank you for playing.

It seemed sort off that phrase you usedrotten carcass infected with putrefied-fresh eater maggots. - I don't know what about that phrase does not seem very Christian but it has resonance -- I bet it sounds even better in the original German.

[Chaky]

Heh,heh - I played that game in first grade, it was boring even then - the whole rubber/glue thing.

Face it, man. You are still playing.

[GrimJack]

Face it, man. You are still playing.

So now you are starting with the first grade stuff.

Say something interesting or go away.