MEPIS can read and write to NTFS

[mepnoob2005]

Just thought that I would let everyone in on the fact that the new SimplyMEPIS 6.5 Rc1 can read AND write to windows NTFS file systems. :)

[Infarction]

Just so's you know -
Gentoo: emerge ntfs3g
Ubuntu: apt-get install ntfs-3g
Fedora: yum install ntfs-3g
and that's just the distros I run...

Mepis ain't that special ;)

[John A]

The technology's been around for a while, it just isn't that reliable. I wouldn't start using it on a regular basis, although for emergency or testing purposes it's great.

In a few years more bugs will have been weeded out, and I suspect it will have a reliablility similar to FAT32 on Linux.

[jbennet]

yeah ive known for ages that you can read/write ntfs but i heard that its buggy and can trash your partition so ive stayed away from it

[pheeror]

My favorite Live distro SLAX can to it too. I used ntfs-3g to transfer gigs from and to ntfs partition without problem(ACL was lost, of course).

[mepnoob2005]

Just so's you know - Gentoo: emerge ntfs3g Ubuntu: apt-get install ntfs-3g Fedora: yum install ntfs-3g and that's just the distros I run... ;)

Thanks for the info. Nice to know. But MEPIS is special. To me. I like it better than ubuntu. Haven't tried fedora or gentoo. I don't plan on trying them. MEPIS does it all. For me.
The writing to ntfs is new to MEPIS so I thought that I would share it. Guess I've been leading a sheltered life for too long. Thanks for the update. MEPIS is my choice. That's from the ubuntus, kanotix's, knoppix's, dsl's, debian, vector linux's, PClinuxOS, sabayon, sidux linux's that I have used. I know that I have forgotten some that I have used but MEPIS has been the most reliable. As a matter of fact as soon as I submit the reply I will probably remember a few more that didn't quite cut it. We get a lot of x-ubuntu, x-gentoo and x-fedora users coming to MEPIS and not the other way around so that says something. ;)

[Infarction]

Most distros will offer pretty much the same packages. Sometimes one distro will have a package another doesn't but you can always install it w/o the package manager as well. The difference between distros is basically the packaga manager, the branding, and the community.

We get a lot of x-ubuntu, x-gentoo and x-fedora users coming to MEPIS and not the other way around so that says something. ;)

How do you know it's not the other way around? ;)

[mepnoob2005]

Most distros will offer pretty much the same packages. Sometimes one distro will have a package another doesn't but you can always install it w/o the package manager as well. The difference between distros is basically the packaga manager, the branding, and the community.

How do you know it's not the other way around? ;)

There was a thread at mepislovers.org where guys were talking about the other linux's that they tried. There was a lot of x fedora, gentoo, ubuntu users along with x slackware, PClinuxOS, mandrake, linspire, but mostly x gentoo and x fedora. I guess MEPIS outperformed them enough to make the jump over to MEPIS. That's what a lot of the members in that thread were saying. MEPIS is fast and reliable. MEPIS has one of the best linux installers that there is. Try and match that one with the installer that your linux has. If you think you can. Not many installers are as good as the one in MEPIS. MEPIS just does everything well. You can get gparted in synaptic package manager. We have beryl that comes with the install. Our live cd or dvd can load the new nvidia driver for you to play with beryl and 3-d games when you are using the live disk. Does fedora or gentoo do that?
However if gentoo or fedora can load grub to root while installing I would be glad to try them out and let you know what I think of them personally. That is if they have the option of loading grub to root? What are the installers like with fedora and gentoo? What kind of packages do they use? Is it easy to get libdvdcss2, transcode, w32codecs installed with fedora or gentoo? If it is then I might try them out. Otherwise they wouldn't be worth the trouble. I've been spoiled by MEPIS. The MEPIS forums are the best that I've seen for speed and reliable answers. How are the gentoo and fedora forums like? Friendly? It's important to have a good forum if you need some help. You have made me interested in your preferred versions of linux so I may try. If they can load grub to root. :cheesy:

[John A]

>Try and match that one with the installer that your linux has.
That's easy... http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ ;)
Ubuntu also has a similar installer.

>You can get gparted in synaptic package manager.
So? Lots of other distros have Synaptic and can install gparted with similar ease.

>That is if they have the option of loading grub to root?
Sure, I believe Slackware and Debian both have the option of choosing where to install GRUB or LILO. Although why would you want to install it on the root partition anyway? Master Boot Record is generally better, especially if you want to dual-boot multiple operating systems.

>What are the installers like with fedora and gentoo?
They're quite good. Gentoo uses Portage, which you'd be hard-pressed to find a better program that automatically compiles source. And Fedora and other Debian-based distributions come with Synaptic package manager, which makes installing packages very easy.

>Is it easy to get libdvdcss2, transcode, w32codecs installed with fedora or gentoo?
Yep, Fedora has RPMs available, and Ubuntu has the .debs in its repository. I'm not sure about Gentoo.

[DimaYasny]

Fedora is a very buggy distro. Probably because the RH developers use it for testing on innocent civilians, Microsoft style. But there's always CentOS and WhiteBox (and probably several others I don't know of).

Anyhow, this whole Meris propaganda looks pretty lame to anyone who knows anything about linux. Because everything mentioned above is available fro any of the better known distros, and is easily installable on any other distro with a little bit of ./configure :)

What is a really good surprise is Ubuntu. They have come a long way, and are a really excellent distro. Of course if you take Debian, and tweak it a bit, it will outperform any one of the *buntus, but out-of-the box, Ubuntu is VERY good, compared to almost every other distro out there. Actually, there are already several Ubuntu-based distros outside the *buntu line of products. So I guess the GNU - Linux line of distributions can now split under Debian into Ubuntu based, and Debian based distr.

[jbennet]

yeah i like ubuntu as it has apt making it great for ready to go out of the box family systems as its livecd, has good driver support and things like libdvdcss can be installed easialy using automartix and ubuntu.

i prefer debian netinstall if i want to make a server or tweaked out system

use do like slackware circa version 9 but the lack of something like APT annoys me

PCLinux OS just rocks but feels a bot bloated and overly eyecandied

Dont like MEPIS

Dont like fedora as its slow and buggy

Love CentOS , i use it on my legacy pcs as its functional and stable but runs nice on lower amounts of RAM

[TKS]

I guess MEPIS outperformed them enough to make the jump over to MEPIS

I don't think we're talking about speed here...MEPIS is an i386 distro...an unbloated OpenSuse will outperform it.

Not only that, but Mandriva boots in 40 seconds...distrowatch's fastest booting Desktop Linux distro they've seen.

I've been playing with PCLinuxOS Test Release 3...it boots in 32 seconds :) Now that's FAST.

As someone who's been using MEPIS since 2003.06, I'd have to say that PCLOS 2007 is much better than anything Warren has put out.

[mepnoob2005]

I've heard guys at mepislovers.org forum say that pclinuxos wouldn't detect a vid card that MEPIS would, but I don't have to convince any of you guys, I'm not trying to. It's just that MEPIS is easier to use than the other guys. Easier to set up. Better overall. Try a new version of MEPIS before you all get your hairs up.

And joeprogrammer if you don't realize the benefits of installing grub to root then I will tell you.

First thing you must do is install MEPIS or any other linux, that uses grub, and install grub to the Mbr of hda when you install.. Easy so far. Lots of linux can do that.

Secondly for every extra linux that you also want on your hard drive you just install grub to the root partition that that particular linux is being installed to.

In this manner you could boot well over a hundred linux operating systems or even more on one computer. The days of dual booting are over. This is multi-multi multi-booting

This will work for as many linux installs as you want. It is called chainloading.
Right now I chainload NINE linux operating systems. All are installed to hard drive. All bootable. Almost all get changed a lot.

Here is an example

By installing grub to root, on an installed linux on hdb6, you can then make an addition to your boot/grub/menu.lst like this.

title MEPIS at hdb6
rootnoverify (hd1,5)
chainloader +1

This addition is made to the grub that you DID install to the Mbr of hda.
All other extra linux installs are installing grub to root and you never edit the grub that is installed to root. Just add to the grub that is installed to the Mbr of hda.

The other BIG advantage of installing grub to root on hdb6 is that if I decide to install another linux in place of whatever is on hdb6 I never have to re-edit my main grub/menu.lst again. As long as grub is installed to root on that partition then the newly installed linux will boot. As soon as I have finished the install. Take out the install disk and you can boot. Makes trying out new linux operating systems easy. I do it a lot.

Here is a copy of my boot/grub/menu.lst
It is so long that I have a scrollbar on my grub menu when I boot up.

timeout 15
color cyan/blue white/blue
foreground ffffff
background 0639a1

gfxmenu /boot/grub/message

title MEPIS 6.5 Rc1 at hda5
rootnoverify (hd0,4)
chainloader +1

title MEPIS 6.0 at hda2
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader +1

title MEPIS 6.5 beta 7 shares home with rc1 at hda9
rootnoverify (hd0,8)
chainloader +1

title MEPIS 3.3.1-1 at hda10
rootnoverify (hd0,9)
chainloader +1

title knoppix 5.1.1 debian install at hdb1
rootnoverify (hd1,0)
chainloader +1

title knoppix disk at hdb3
rootnoverify (hd1,2)
chainloader +1

title debian etch with kde at hdb5
rootnoverify (hd1,4)
chainloader +1

title debian etch with gnome at hdb6
rootnoverify (hd1,5)
chainloader +1

title not installed at hdb8
rootnoverify (hd1,7)
chainloader +1

title MEPIS 6.0 for testing at hdb10
rootnoverify (hd1,9)
chainloader +1

title not installed at hdb12
rootnoverify (hd1,11)
chainloader +1

title MEPIS at hda7, kernel 2.6.15-1-586tsc
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-586tsc root=/dev/hda7 nomce quiet vga=791

title Windows at hda1
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader +1

title MEMTEST
kernel /boot/memtest86.bin

You see all of the additions that say 'not installed' ?
I put these additions in the menu.lst long before there ever is an operating system installed to that partition. Now when I install a new linux to hdb12 it will boot as soon as I finish the install and re-boot.
As long as grub is installed to root. No more editing or changing grub for that partition. I may go in and edit in the name, or pet name, for my install on hdb12 but it doesn't really matter if I do or not. It just helps me to know what is installed where.

The space between 'title' and 'at hdb12' really doesn't mean a thing except to let you know what is installed there. Put anything there that you like. The real name of the linux or a name you like to call it, it doesn't matter.

I do this ALL of the time. I have tested many many types of linux this way. The only prerequisite is that the linux that you are installing must be able to install grub to root. I don't use lilo for this as I'm not sure how to set it up like this and I don't even want to know. This way is tops as 60 % of the linux's out there use grub and not lilo.

So if you want to multi-boot then create your partition with gparted or something that works as good and then install grub to root on that partition.
This way you are not stuck with an old fashioned dual boot set up.

IMPORTANT.....When you make your fourth partition be sure to make it into an 'extended' partition that uses ALL of the remaining space on your drive. That way the 'extended' partition can be divided up into as many partitions as you need. I also heard that sata drives can only be divided into 15 partitions but I can't say for sure as I use pata or ata as it is commonly called.

If anyone needs some more help with multi-booting as many extra linux's that you want or need just ask. I think this post does explain it. I will help if I can.

Hope that clarifies things a bit about me, MEPIS, the linux's that I've tried, multiple booting and all that. I'm a distro testing addict. :eek:
MEPIS Rocks. Rock on people.

[jbennet]

YOU CAN INSTALL GRUB TO ROOT ON ALL DISTRIBUTIONS ITS NOT SPECIAL!

(in debian, suse and fedora all you do is check a checkbox!)

[DimaYasny]

this whole mepis thing is starting to look more and more like spam. personally, after seeing this mess here, I'm totally disgusted by mepis, without even trying it

[mepnoob2005]

YOU CAN INSTALL GRUB TO ROOT ON ALL DISTRIBUTIONS ITS NOT SPECIAL! (in debian, suse and fedora all you do is check a checkbox!)

No need to yell or to get your britches in a knot. debian, suse and fedora are NOT all the linux distros. And try and install grub to root on dsl. No checkbox to click there. Just to let you know. You have never tried to install grub to root on dsl, have you?
Only 60 % of linux even uses grub. The other 40 % uses lilo. I didn't say that installing grub to root was anything special. So why did you say that to me? Are you trying to start a fight? I won't back down when I know that I am right.

I can say anything that I want on here as long as I don't break forum rules or be insulting. I'm not distro-bashing just 'cause I say that MEPIS is better than most linux versions. It is. If anyone doesn't like MEPIS then you could at least have the decency to say why in an intelligent manner.
And I mean why you stopped using MEPIS. Not whether you think a thread is 'messy' , 'spam' or 'disgusting' Statements like that really show no tact at all. If ANYONE has a PROBLEM with me them send me a private message. I should contact the site administrator to see whether you guys are bashing MEPIS or not. I don't bash. I just tell it like it is. Maybe some of you aren't ready for that. It sounds more like I hit a nerve with someone in one of my posts so I am going to contact the administrator for a decision or at least some clarification on distro-bashing at this site.

DimaYasny are you joking? I really am surprised at your remark when I look at your other posts. You seemed really levelheaded and made some good points Spam? How would you even know? You obviously HAVEN'T tried MEPIS. So to make a narrow minded statement like that just reduces your own credibilty. It's people like you that make a snap decision and post before thinking, and before trying something that get me choked. Not very professional.
I say to all of you guys that have bashed MEPIS without trying it "Don't knock MEPIS till you have tried it". Period. You just don't know enough about MEPIS to spew garbage like that all over the forum.
It's junk posts like DimaYasny's that that gives forums bad P.R.

I don't care who are the little favorites of this site. I am going to tell it like it is no holds barred. I can do that without insulting, bashing or being ignorant. I would expect the same from you all. What I am really hearing is a bunch of jealousy against MEPIS. PClinuxOS is pretty good. It needs more work though. It has some nice eye candy but you can get that with any version of linux.

If ANY of you HAVE tried MEPIS and couldn't get it to work, or it failed you for some reason, then by all means share it with us all. But if you are like DimaYasny and say garbage in a post when you admittedly say that you have never tried MEPIS?Then don't bother wasting space on my thread with an insulting post. It makes the site look cheap.
I'm done now. I'm going to contact the admin about the posts that some of you left. if she says that I'm out of line and it's ok for you to bash then I will apoligize to everyone I have irked but if you can bash then so can I and what does that show?

joeprogrammar MEPIS uses ubuntu repos and the ubuntu installer is not as good as the MEPIS one. There is NO box to check to install grub to root and there is no option to re-install grub from the live ubuntu cd so if you could research a bit more before commenting on one of my topics it would be more professional of you.Thank you very much. ;)

[DimaYasny]

DimaYasny are you joking?

trust me, when I'm joking, I make everyone get the joke. I really am surprised at your remark when I look at your other posts.
maybe, if you didn't provoke such remarks, you would be betetr heard. You seemed really levelheaded and made some good points Spam?
every post of yours here looks like you're either trying to sell those mepis cd's or trying to pull as many users as you can over to one of those mepis forums you mentioned. if that isn't spam, then I really don't know what is. and believe me, after 14 years in the biz - I DO. How would you even know?
I don't give a damn about the distro I use, as long as it suites my needs. what you have done here is make people consider mepis as a mess of a distro, because it is being promoted by forum spam. You obviously HAVEN'T tried MEPIS.
and I most probably will not.So to make a narrow minded statement like that just reduces your own credibilty.
alow me to take care of my own credibility by myself. thank you. It's people like you
generalizing? tsk tsk tsk... that make a snap decision and post before thinking
usually because everywhere else spam is removed automatically. I personally use qmail with spamassassin. too bad it can't be applied to the forums I like visiting.and before trying something that get me choked.
call 911? ambulance maybe? Not very professional.
I don't think you have a way to judge my professionality. I say to all of you guys that have bashed MEPIS without trying it "Don't knock MEPIS till you have tried it". Period. You just don't know enough about MEPIS to spew garbage like that all over the forum.
we know enough about it's promoters. no normal distro is being promoted in this way. even the agressive promotion ubuntu people did at first was CORRECT. instead of shouting everywhere, they offered free CDs, with free shipment. look how far ubuntu has come because of that.It's junk posts like DimaYasny's that that gives forums bad P.R.
oh yeah, indeedP.S. to the mods: is there an ignore button on DaniWeb?

[mepnoob2005]

You are uninformed. I gain nothing by people using MEPIS. I'm just trying to help new users switch from windows to linux. MEPIS linux. May as well get them off to a good start as give them a linux that may be hard to learn or use.

Do you really think that your last two posts were beneficial posts that could help anyone?
I don't think so and if you do then you need some help. I'm not selling MEPIS but I do say to everyone I can that they should try it. And I'm not trying to steal users from this site to any other. I like MEPIS better. Is that a crime? It seems like it on this site. You and all the others can have your favs but I can't? Remarks like yours are cheap. You hide behind the forum and try to tempt me to drop down to your level of insults? No way man I am better than that. I make all of my statements about MEPIS from personal experience. I know that you can't say that. You admitted to never trying MEPIS yet you have the nerve to bash my favorite distro. If you don't want to use MEPIS then that is your choice. I would appreciate you staying off my threads until you can learn some manners. I have already sent a pm to the admin about your conduct so she is going to read this thread. You would do well with some basic human relation courses. You have a long way to go. You shouldn't even be posting if you don't have something constructive to add to a thread. I NEVER post on a thread where I don't know ANYTHING about a subject. You could learn from that. :eek:

[DimaYasny]

You are uninformed.

am I now?I gain nothing by people using MEPIS.
why then try to pull people into in by the ears? it usually hurts.I'm just trying to help new users switch from windows to linux.
the people on here, already use linux. not for games and silly agitation, but for work. real production servers, desktops used for CAD and so forth. maybe you should try your tricks on a kiddie forum, for 10 year olds? thay might find the fact that you can install 200 OSes on 1 HD a thrill.MEPIS linux.againMay as well get them off to a good start as give them a linux that may be hard to learn or use.
the best distro to learn linux on is a distro you have to build from scratch. something like gentoo. everything else - you might as well stick to windows. Do you really think that your last two posts were beneficial posts that could help anyone?
do you really think any of your posts were beneficial to anyone? except for the mazochists who like to get aggravated of course I don't think so and if you do then you need some help.
as I said, I'm perfectly capable of making such conclusions for myself, if I need to. I'm not selling MEPISthat's not what it looks like but I do say to everyone I can that they should try it.
maybe you should stopAnd I'm not trying to steal users from this site to any other.
right. should I really go to the trouble of quoting you from everywhere? I like MEPIS better.good for youIs that a crime?nope.It seems like it on this site.I'm not a mod here, I'm just a user. but I do have loads of experience from other forums. there are places where you would be banned for this behaviour. you like mepis - well done. that's not a reason for shouting about it on every corner. that's not a reason to argue with everyone who says another distro is good. that's not a reason to spam other people's posts.You and all the others can have your favs but I can't?
who said that?Remarks like yours are cheap.how much?You hide behind the forum and try to tempt me to drop down to your level of insults?insults? where?No way man I am better than that.i really hope so.I make all of my statements about MEPIS from personal experience. I know that you can't say that. You admitted to never trying MEPIS yet you have the nerve to bash my favorite distro.I'm not bashing mepis, I'm bashing the way you act about it.If you don't want to use MEPIS then that is your choice.thank you so very much for allowing me thatI would appreciate you staying off my threads until you can learn some manners.it's a free forum.I have already sent a pm to the admin about your conduct so she is going to read this thread.excellent. maybe she will show me how to put you on my ignore list.You would do well with some basic human relation courses.you would do well to keep your opinions to yourself.You have a long way to go.yeah. as far as I want to go.You shouldn't even be posting if you don't have something constructive to add to a thread.but I do. my opinion on the way you trash every post with this mepis crap. do the mepis people know what is going on here? do they know how you are disceriting them?I NEVER post on a thread where I don't know ANYTHING about a subject. You could learn from that. :eek:
I know enough about systems that can read/write ntfs. or do anything else.

[~s.o.s~]

Hello.

Its okay friends, everyone has his / her own opinions. Starting a distro war would just result in getting this thread closed or someone getting infracted. I hope you guys understand...

Have a nice day.