Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by rproffitt … a 200USD a year payment (to me) for owning an EVcar so I missed on that for this year but did… sign up for 2018. As you can guess, EVcar owners will talk to one another and not one is… other. And a sad footnote. After I bought my first EVcar, I started reading about Venezuela's meltdowns. Did I cause… Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by rproffitt …. Takeaway? If you stick with the grid, how clean your EVcar is tied to the grid cleanliness. However an ICEcar can… end up from 1/2 to same energy cost from EVcar to ICEcar. Back to world electricity generation. https://www.c2es… the grid, you are not entirely clean even on the EVcar. They are right about that and the ICEcar is all… Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by rproffitt … noted where 95% of our trips are done with the EVcar and rest via ICEcar and other transportation. I see a… the Tesla 3, Chevy Bolt or another 200+ mile range EVcar. This is how I met my first… Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by rproffitt … EVcars you can charge at home or elsewhere. All the EVcar owners charge at home with one or two being absolute… away from others from a stop. The takeaway is that EVcar subsidies are going to end but gas/diesel taxes or… Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by JamesCherrill > if you are on the grid, you are not entirely clean even on the EVcar Depends where you are! The electricity sector here in France is mainly nuclear power, which accounted for 72.3% of total production in 2016, while renewables and fossil fuels accounted for 17.8% and 8.6%, respectively That's 91.4% non-fossil Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by Reverend Jim I think it is inevitable. Our next vehicle will definitely be electric as will my younger son's. Our elder son has a Prius that he swears by. As battery technology evolves, older, lower capacity batteries could be swapped out with newer ones without the expense of a complete car replacement. Swapping would be a matter of minutes rather than the … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by JamesCherrill We bought a new Renault Zoe at the end of last year and are glad that we did. It has a realistic range of 250km after an overnight charge which covers almost all our driving needs. We kept our big old Citroen C4 Picasso for those occasions where we needed to go farther, or carry more people/luggage/shopping, but so far we have used is less than … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by ddanbe I agree with Jim, it will become inevitable. The city of Antwerp is already forbidding older diesel cars and trucks to drive into the city. I guess this will turn into a worldwide acceptance. Wonder what the Arabic petrol lobby has to say about that. An electric car would be ideal for me. I drive about 100 km a month with my petrol car. Only … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by Reverend Jim I don't know if this is an option, but shouldn't electric cars have solar panels built in to the roof so that they would charge in the daylight without having to be plugged in? I would think that sitting in the employee parking lot for 8 hours would allow some significant charging. Any electrical engineers out there who could add some numbers to … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by Reverend Jim Based on a news story from Winnipeg this week there are also other things to be considered. A woman in a condo here in Winnipeg has been charging her electric vehicle in the condo parking lot. In response, the condo association has turned off the power to the lot figuring (and rightly so, IMO) that the rest of the condo owners should not be … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by JamesCherrill Great idea - but a quick Google suggests maybe 1 kWh in an 8 hour day for a 1 square meter panel. even my little Zoe battery takes 41 kWh Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by sam.berman.31 There's an alternate problem to having an electric car for most of one's driving and an ICE for occasional long trips. Cars like to be driven regularly. If they are not, they have problems. I would suggest renting a car for the occasional trip. I believe (I could be mistaken) that Tesla is giving 3 rental trips away per year when you buy their … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by WilliamFSheehan When many more people buy EV cars, government subsidies will disappear - they might even switch over to ICE vehicles - which have been getting cleaner, too! In Canada, for instance, approximately 40% of the price of gas is tax. So, how else will governments deal with their revenue shortfall? I suspect that ICE vehicles will still be around, for a … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by Reverend Jim >how else will governments deal with their revenue shortfall In Manitoba, the bulk of our power is hydro-electric. Government already charges tax on every kwh I use. On top of that, the provincial government charges Manitoba Hydro a hefty fee every year for "water rental". Basically MH pays for the right to use the waterways for … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by Agilemind > So, how else will governments deal with their revenue shortfall? The gov't will never run out of ways to make revenue. I'd bet on luxury water-usage taxes on fountains, pools, etc... as climate change affects the water supplies. There will probably be taxes on emissions from fossil-fuel power stations, of one form or another. Solar and … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by AssertNull A few questions for anyone who might know... 1. What's the price to charge the car? Same rate as elecricity rates everywhere else? If so, at least here in California the electricity rates are much cheaper at night than in the day so I assume folks charge it in the garage at night? Any special equipment required to charge it? 2. What "… Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by rproffitt To AssertNull, I'll try to answer since I've been driving my 2014 Leaf since November, 2016. 1. I use the 110V charger the car came with since I'm cheap and it works for me. To get a discount on the SDG&E rate you have to install a second meter and charge off peak hours. The cost to install that meter when I asked was over 1K. So that … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by JamesCherrill > the cost is nearly identical to the Prius today That's surprising. We run a Zoe EV and have a Citroen C4 Picasso that can do about 50 mpg. Here's how the costs compare in France: Zoe: 16.6 kWh/100km. Using standard domestic off-peak elecrticity at €0.127/kWh = 2.11 Euros per 100 km Citroen: 4.5 litres/100km at €1.23 per litre … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by Reverend Jim Not to mention that when you are stuck in traffic, waiting for lights to change, trains, etc. you are using zero power as opposed to idling in your ICE. Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by Agilemind Re: rproffitt The Prius is a hybrid so it gets most of the energy savings of EVs : no idling at traffic lights, recharging during braking and downhills, and more efficient torque generation by an electric motor. So considering that most electricity is generated by burning fossil fuels (and renewables cost about the same for electricity … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by Reverend Jim >most electricity is generated by burning fossil fuels (and renewables cost about the same for electricity generation anyway) I'm not surprised there isn't much difference. Even if the electricity is generated by burning fossil fuels, consider that it is cheaper to generate the power centrally at one plant and distribute that power than it … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by AssertNull Seems like the electric car beats the internal combustion car as far as cost per X distance goes, and wow, you Europeans are paying A LOT for gasoline. But then again you're also paying way more for electricity than we are. Why is that? Seems like range and lack of quick charging options is the main problem for folks who drive distances. Even… Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by AssertNull From this thread and online, it appears that the range issue is improving dramatically as we speak, though I do see that the top of the line Tesla Model S has a 632 km range TODAY, under optimal conditions and a six figure price tag. But most EVs today have a far lower range. But it looks like if I wait three years till 2020, I'll be able to … Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by JamesCherrill > it's looking like we need to create a Moore's Law for EV's Yes indeed. Last November Renault casually announced an increase of almost 100% in battery capacity for the Zoe at almost the same price. If they do that twice more (and why not?) then it's all over folks. Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by rproffitt > it's looking like we need to create a Moore's Law for EV's I think we're seeing something like we see in PCs. Power goes up, price is about the same and used gear fetches a fraction of the new prices. Re: Will Electric Cars ever make it? Community Center by JamesCherrill Looks like Norway - with vast supplies of hydro-electic is going to lead the way http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/norway-electric-powered-country-first-fully-green-energy-clean-cars-a7898701.html