Posts by christina>you

>I'm a nurse.
A 17 year old nurse? Even if you're telling the truth, that doesn't suggest that you have a wealth of experience to pull from. Being a nurse also doesn't suddenly make you an expert on the effects of smoking. My mother is also a nurse, so I have some idea of how weak your claim is for supporting your argument.

Uh yes a 17 year old nurse. And why in the world would I lie about that?
I'm no expert, but that doesn't mean I haven't studied. Get that in your head.

>And yes, I am right.
No, you're not. You're making claims based on incomplete research. You're applying one or two long-term and overwhelming health problems to your entire argument and completely ignoring any other effects. All you have to do is agree that there are positive effects as well as negative effects and I'll leave you alone. Until then, you're wrong.

You can't read can you?

>But does this mean that people on the streets should be using and abusing them?
Bzzzt! Nice try Miss Logical Fallacy, but whether people abuse something or not isn't an argument for that thing being bad or good. If you want to go that route, I'll rip you apart with a "food is bad for you because people are fat" counter argument.

Now I know you really can't read.

>I know how it can be a positive effect on the human body …

Well of course not. It's a virus.

Okay, perhaps you guys are taking this a little bit out of context. A little bit of anything is good. Ever heard of vaccines? Injecting a little bit of a virus into a human is enough to enable the human to build a sufficient immune response. If we look at things at such a microscopic level then just about EVERYTHING is good for you.

Finally.
Thank God for common sense.

Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean you're right.

Ignorant? I'm a nurse. My whole life is based around studying medicine, conditions, diseases, and treatments. And yes, I am right.

Try looking for studies that link moderate amounts of nicotine to the prevention and treatment of mental disorders. Or studies that have shown nicotine to help ulcerative colitis, increase libido, and improve memory. I remember a study that linked smoking to preventing breast cancer. And of course, due to the effects of smoking we can count stress relief as yet another benefit.

I've seen these studies, and doctors use all kinds of drugs, even illegal drugs for the benefit of the patient. But does this mean that people on the streets should be using and abusing them? NO.

I'm not saying that these benefits outweigh the negative aspects, but I'm also not doing what you are: the text equivalent of putting my fingers in my ears and saying "lalalalala!".

You're not even making any kind of sense. I have studied the effects of smoking. I know how it can be a positive effect on the human body and how it can become a death stick.

> Smoking is bad for you.
Smoking is good for you, just like chocolate and wine. And just like chocolate and wine, smoking in excess is bad for you.

Hmm... that's interesting since I have never heard anyone in the medical field proclaim that smoking is good for you. Neither have I read any health book stating this ridiculous idea. Smoking regularly has the same effect as smoking excessively... the only difference is how fast it progresses.

I'm trying to help you understand the result of an online test you took?

How do you know that the online test was even accurate? Besides, I'm not really involved with politics... and frankly, I don't want to be. I base my decisions on my values and beliefs.

I mistook it for sarcasm given your initial response to this thread?

That's why I said "I've come to the conclusion that..."

Did you not read the rest of my post?

It was once my decision to drive, but then non-drivers had to inhale the fumes. Now we all just have to deal with it.

Since we got rid of cars, sure it's been tough to move about, but I think it's all for the better. Especially since all that freedom didn't really cost anyone a day off his life.
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If you love totalitarianism, just say so.

Of course I don't. I was agreeing with you.

If you choose to smoke, then that's fine. And all the non smokers will just have to deal with it.

How is this totalitarian?

Let's just say that it's your decision to smoke, and all the non smokers will just have to deal with it like we have been for the past couple of decades. And if the law chooses to make cigarettes illegal, then so be it.

I've come to the conclusion that... in reality, only non smokers who are exposed to second hand smoke constantly will get the effects from it. But if you go to a restaurant every other week or even every other day, you really aren't in any kind of danger. Besides, I've noticed that I very rarely see people smoking in public restaurants.

So, if the smokers want to smoke, let 'em smoke. It's their choice to take the risk of having health problems.

M'kay show us all the scientific evidence.

He's talking about second hand smoke.

Celebrate life however you choose. Try not to dictate to others that you will rain on their parade intentionally to spite them.

Okay, I agree with this.
But it's everyone's choice to remain healthy as much as possible. That way, the life expectancy for humans will continue to increase. ;)

Actually, I would consider it. If odds stand that I might be killed in a car accident tomorrow, it just may be a bet worth taking.

I think Duki might have under exaggerated in his post. Smoking leads to serious illnesses that are long-term and fatal. And sometimes it takes several years off of your life, not just 5.

If you died in a car accident, it wouldn't be your choice. It would just be a deadly tragedy that took you by surprise. However, smoking is the complete opposite. Every time you inhale that cigarette smoke into your lungs, you know what the risks are and you understand the consequences that it will eventually bring.

>I guess that's your way of looking at it.
No, I said something I don't really believe because I wanted to confuse you. :icon_rolleyes:

No worries, you didn't confuse me at all. I just wanted to make fun.

>You're defending the right for smokers to smoke in
>public places where it puts other lives at risk. Duh?
I'm not defending anyone. I'm all for making smoking illegal in indoor public places. What I'm doing is attacking your high and mighty attitude. :)

Then why were you making it such a big deal if you believe in the same thing? Oh wait, you enjoy doing that... nevermind.

>Have you even read this thread?
Yes. To summarize, Dave wanted to start conversation and a bunch of non-smokers banded together for four pages of intellectual masturbation.

I guess that's your way of looking at it.

>...And you're the one talking about rights? =/
I am? Where?

Wow.

You're defending the right for smokers to smoke in public places where it puts other lives at risk. Duh?

>I don't recall being forced to go to public places. Do you really choose to hang out in places where people smoke when you clearly don't like it?

haha.. you're funny. So, basically you're saying that we should just not go to places where smoking inside is legal.. Oh, okay. So, if we want to go to our favorite restaurant, or shop at the mall, or go get some ice cream, etc. then too bad for us? Hell, no.. We should NOT be punished simply b/c others choose to smoke. Why should we be forced out of establishments simply b/c others choose to smoke??

EXACTLY.

>Actually, I have and they refused. Not every situation is the same, "genius."
Yet you want to apply the same extreme solution (ie. I'm God and can tell everyone what to do) to every situation. Brilliant.

Haha. You're really going to try and use that against me? It didn't even make sense to our discussion. Have you even read this thread?

>And we're not talking about just one person smoking, we're
>talking about smoking in public places such as restaurants.
I don't recall being forced to go to public places. Do you really choose to hang out in places where people smoke when you clearly don't like it?

...And you're the one talking about rights? =/

And naturally you're qualified to make that choice. :icon_rolleyes: Tell me, have you ever thought to ask a smoker not to smoke around you? I have, and to date nobody has ever refused to give me space or put out their cigarette when I asked politely. Most of the time they immediately put it out and don't light up again while I'm around. Smokers aren't evil people who intentionally try to hurt you, so stop trying to act righteous.

Actually, I have and they refused. Not every situation is the same, "genius."

And we're not talking about just one person smoking, we're talking about smoking in public places such as restaurants.

Are you so full of yourself that you think it's your place to dictate how other people live their lives?

When it endangers other lives. Of course!

yup... just when they said my reasons for smoking were the stupidest they've ever heard...:@ (i wonder who was that:confused: )...

Hehe... well they were off the wall reasons. ;)

Yeah, but it was a good thing we all had the same mindset. I don't think we hurt too many feelings in this thread.

hah.. alcohol, in particular, wine, is actually healthy for the body.. if consumed at a controllable rate. Going out and drinking and partying with friends until your wasted isn't going to affect you much.. unless you do it frequently. Besides, it's fun! (Note: I wouldn't know as I am not of legal age to drink ;) .. Confessions don't count against you in the great state of Texas anyway :))

Lol look at my last post.

Yeah, drinking and smoking are different. Drinking CAN be addicting but doesn't have to be. Unlike smoking. If in moderation it is not unhealthy at all (the drinking that is). It's when it becomes too much that you damage your liver, kill brain cells, puke, alcohol poisoning, etc.

Yep. Alcohol is actually good for you. The problem is people abuse it.

It's just that HIV and AIDS are more common with homosexuals.

BUT they make that choice. Unlike second hand smokers. And not all gays have aids, many are healthy.

Yeah, I know. I was just kidding.

Yea, if you drink a whole damn keg..

Lol not necessarily!

haha.. true. But hiv affects more than just the gays.

Again... yeah, I know. Lol

But there is nothing harmful in that. It doesn't harmfully affect those around them either.

There is this one thing that's pretty harmful... AIDS. ;)

Hey, ain't nothing wrong with alcohol ;)

Yeah except for the fact that you're destroying your liver! ;-)

Not so much as it used to be..

True. Now it's just marijuana and alcohol. ;-)

Why is smoking so appealing these days?

Never too late to quit. What a great living example that would be.

Exactly.
It's hard, but think about what a great accomplishment that would be.

All the time.

Good.

Have you told your children that smoking is harmful?

I'm afraid that they might follow after your path and begin to smoke during their adolescent years.

[edit]What if I'm not inside?

Then that is much much much better.

My dad used to smoke when I was a child and he always did it outside on the porch.

I keep them nowhere near the smoke. And I avoid places that allow it when they're with. How do you figure?

Well even if they're not around, the smoke still lingers in the air if you're inside. Still, it's a good thing that you're keeping them away from it.
The problem is, children are more likely to smoke if their parents do.

Not recently. A couple years ago the doc thought I had early emphysema, but that wasn't the case (yet).

You smoke?

Because it's long term. Smoking targets your lungs and affects your breathing gradually until you develop a disease or die.

Have you ever seen a smoker's lung?

I've never heard that...

Here you go.

Who says that it is jeapordizing your health?

[edit]It stinks, I'll give ya that.

Have you heard of second hand smoke?

So I can go to a PUBLIC place without jeapordizing my health. Nonsmoking sections aren't really nonsmoking. Don't I have the right to go to a public restaurant and enjoy it just as much as smokers do?

EXACTLY.

My personal opinion, smoking is very unattractive.

(I feel the bad reps coming......)

>>And what I see after few posts? Some of the members starting flaming war between them ! ! !
I agree, and they are walking on thin ice (meaning infraction) if they continue that.

Let's stop the looming flame war folks, there is no need and I have my big infraction stick at the ready to hit anyone who gets in the way with.

I apologize if I somehow started this flame war... but I wouldn't have said anything if tgreer and Rashakil didn't post their extremely rude comments [about me].

Sorry.

Because that's what you do? Why don't you rep him with "you're dumb"? That's what you do, right? And he's dumb. So tell him that! It'll make you feel good when it's done. You'll make your mark on the world, telling people that they're unintelligent. I'm sure then that they'll strive harder to achieve your level of perceptitude.

Yeah, okay.
You're right Rashakil, that's what I do.
That's what my life's purpose is.
It makes me feel good to tell people they're stupid.
Thanks for clarifying.

Now, are you happy?

Haha.. well I'll refrain from giving him what he wants.

Lol that's weird because I never bad rep him.

I don't think that was what he was referring to..

What do you think he was trying to say? I didn't understand.

[edit] Sorry, that didn't come out right... you aren't off topic right now, he's just making a point about being off-topic in general. Or something. Nevermind.

Oh okay...

"and to provide christina>you and the others an opportunity to bad rep me. How very off topic of me."

That's how I read it. Thomas is trying to make a point about _your_ off topicness.

I don't understand why he thinks I'm going to bad rep him.

My off topicness?

Oh, well I thought he was talking about me because my name is christina>you and I figured he was just shortening it by saying c>you.

c>you et al an opportunity to give me bad rep. How very off-topic of me.

Excuse me?

Hmm.. I didn't even realize that. Lol