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Re: HTML Validation why bother?

If you want to validate W3C.org simply "View Source" and then "Copy/Paste" the code into the direct input box and submit for validation.

This should work as I have also had problems before trying to get pages of other websites to validate and get an error so all I do is the above and it works fine.

Hope this helps.

:)

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Wrams 18 Newbie Poster
Re: HTML Validation why bother?

I'm not argueing I'm simply stating a fact that no DOCTYPE bad SEO is all. ;)

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Actually your wrong. The web site was built for ALL to view including blind people so by not making it screenreader friendly they where in breach of the terms and conditions of the "Olympic Standards Council" who oversee everything so that no-one is unable to view or read something that is designed for all.

Its not against the law to not provide a DOCTYPE its a recommendation of the Web Standards Consortium, W3C Validation. If your web site fails to supply the relevant data then your web site will suffer SEO wise if nothing else. Taking a view of its hard to understand is a wrong attitude to have because its not for you to understand its for search engine spiders/robots to read. Perhaps you should visit the W3C web site and read up abit before you pass it off as rubbish.

No-ones telling you what to do where just advising you what can and will probably happen. Take it or leave it.

I can't understand why you are asking for help in a help forums when your not prepared to take advise from members with many many years of experience. I'm not at the top of my game for no reason. I rank on the first page for my web development site in Google at number 4 in many different search terms. Also my web hosting company is also on the 2nd page after just 6 months of being online. If I took those DOCTYPE's away …

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Re: HTML Validation why bother?

Look I understand what your saying about DOCTYPE's but they are supposed to be in coded HTML pages of a web site, Its not compolsery its just telling browsers what the document is about. You don't have to add one, however it is recommended.

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jbennet commented: a few incorrect points, but mainly good points. +21
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Who tole you that rubbish? Search Engines go into Quirks Mode and I am willing to bet you on that. Obviously you no nothing of coding. I've been a web developer for 9 years how long have you...? Google it if you don't believe me. Also whats your problem?

Because you are wrong!
"make search engines go into "Quirks Mode" "
Search engines dont go into any kind of mode, and even if they do, who cares?!
And what's so notoriuosele bad about "quirks mode?
[It gives you more coding options than W3C ever will = qiurks means FREEDOM]

I've asked you that;
Because: html doesn't need any of what you are demanding - the Document Extension will suffice!
I remember the time when you were not allowed to write anything ( meaning nothing ) before the <HTML> tag, 'cause it would cause errors on the parser, or render as unformated as if it was a part of your page content, but more often confuse early days Servers sending a bunch of uninteligibile crap to your clients.

Watch this:
this is Google!

<!doctype html><html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><title>Google</title><script>window.google={kEI:"3UH4Ssy6Np-TjAfZx6iuDg",kEXPI:"
....

and this is Google /Firefox

<html><head>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<title>Mozilla Firefox Start Page</title><style>body,td,a,p,.h{font-family:arial...

this is firefox official

<!DOCTYPE HTML>
<html xml:lang="en-US" lang="en-US" dir="ltr">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/>
<title>Mozilla | Firefox web browser &amp; Thunderbird email client</title>
	<script type="text/javascript">s_account="mozillaco...

Do you see the DTD anywhere near to being specified ???
The only doctype that is …

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Wrams 18 Newbie Poster
Re: HTML Validation why bother?

I was just trying to give you advise thats all. Because I thought you wanted to learn XHTML and CSS. My mistake!!

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Re: HTML Validation why bother?

I'm simply letting him know that its bad for your web site thats all. No Doctype will make search engines go into "Quirks Mode" which will effect the site in general. I'm NOT insisting he uses it I am giving him some friendly advice to help him and his web site out.

Why, do you think I am wrong giving him some advice...?

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Wrams 18 Newbie Poster
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Do you realise that if you don't use DOCTYPE's its bad for your website...?

Do you mind if I ask why you don't want to use them...?

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Then you need to add DOCTYPE's because your forcing your website into "Quirks Mode" which is very bad for websites and SEO. How can a browser recognise your web page when it doesn't understand what type of document it is...? Find yourself a DOCTYPE and insert it into all pages and watch as more of your web site becomes indexed better.

I make all my websites with Valid XHTML 1.0 Strict coding and Valid CSS 2 because CSS 3 isn't finished completely yet so they are constantly making changes to it.

If you want a DOCTYPE I can give you one...

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

Insert this into every web page.

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Wrams 18 Newbie Poster
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the only thing on the websites that need to be validated are feeds.

Who told you that crap...? I've never heared anyone say that in all the years i've been hand coding web sites so I don't know where you got that info from...?

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Glad to here it sorted your problem out. Any more help needed just post and I will be glad to assist. ;)

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Re: HTML Validation why bother?

I'm very big on valid coding myself but always feel that if your happy with your web sites errors and warnings then don't worry. However, if it didn't recognise your DOCTYPE then chances are that browsers might not and then place your website into "Quirks Mode" which is not a good thing. Its bad for displaying your site and also SEO can be effected. To be honest why don't you just copy/paste your code in a direct input? If the html document isn't working try that. It might just be a bug. What DOCTYPE are you using by the way? Some DOCTYPES aren't used anymore if its that old, theres a simple answer to that, change your DOCTYPE to a valid one then re-submit your file for validation. However it may cause more errors and warnings.

Goodluck...!

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ggeoff commented: Very useful advice including some tips. +3