Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Salem > But it's also in everyone's interest for AI to be trained on reliable information, if we want AI to be useful to us Yeah, that ship slipped it's mooring when facebook appeared, drifted out to sea on the twitter tide, and promptly sank when muck took it over. Domain specific AI's trained on the likes of https://arxiv.org/ might be worth … Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Reverend Jim >OpenAI can detect the content thrown at it is nonsensical So OpenAI doesn't crawl Facebook and Twitter? How about Fox News and related sites? And if it ignores Fox, etc, are we thern going to get Trump screaming about radical liberal bias? How does AI distinguish between conspiracy theory and reality? Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Reverend Jim Remember what happened with Microsoft's chatbot, TAY? It was shut down after only 16 hours when trolls trained it to spout racist slurs and profanity. OpenAI and similar systems are trained on the cesspool that is the entire internet. Sturgeon's Law says 90% of everything is crap. That may well apply to the internet. I'm surprised it hasn't … Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Dani > Many places ban or remove AI generated content. We are one of them! :) Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Pebble94464 As a human, can you detect gibberish content? You may think you can fool AI today or tomorrow, but what about a year from now? At some point in the future AI will match our intelligence and then quickly surpass us. Generating gibberish content might impede AI for a while but it's only delaying the inevitable. Resistance is useless! Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Reverend Jim Even human generated content <edit - gibberish> can be hard to detect, except of course for Jordan Peterson. Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Dani To Pebble's point, I genuinely believe that the **** that was spewed in the first post of this thread is not any more sophisticated than those chain messages circulating Facebook that say things like copy and paste the sentence, "I don't give Facebook the authority to blah or the copyright to blah" into a FB post, thinking it will be … Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Reverend Jim Note: in the previous post I meant to say gibberish instead of content. Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Fitmovers I'm realizing that "poisoning AI web crawls" could suggest malicious actions, which are often prohibited. Thus, providing guidance for such a request is inappropriate and against policy. Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Dani > "Kiss my shiny metal ***" Seriously?! Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Dani > OpenAI rips content, no one bats an eye. Deepsink does same, "They are ripping off our work." I don't know why you think that. In the SEO publishing industry, us publishers have been very vocally complaining that OpenAI, Google, etc. have been stealing our content for at least 2 years now. I think the difference is, as I … Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Dani I think people are not understanding what I'm saying here. Please allow me to demonstrate: Looking at our Google Analytics right now, I can see that, aside from the top search engines such as Google, Bing, and DuckDuckGo, the next biggest place we get traffic from is ChatGPT. Moreover, the average engagement time per session for visitors finding… Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Dani > I guess AI is replacing traditional search engine queries? ChatGPT traffic still doesn't surpass Google, but it's definitely way up there. I believe it's heading in that direction, yes. Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by rproffitt Update February 25, 2025 as others are kicking it into high gear to resist certain government data collecting. ![image_2025-02-25_085603458.png](https://static.daniweb.com/attachments/1/3353464f2457b005cccfd76592522cd2.png) And here I was only thinking about poison for the AI bots. Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Dani As someone who has made a career out of working with ad agencies, and has 3 patents on data mining user behavior within social platforms, that all sounds absolutely abhorrent. Re: ‘Advanced AI should be treated similar to Weapons of Mass Destruction’ Community Center by rproffitt UPDATE: Feb 4, 2025 — Google on Tuesday updated its ethical guidelines around artificial intelligence, removing commitments not to apply the technology to weapons or surveillance. Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Reverend Jim >This makes me think that we need WAAAY more apps that generate junk data Right. That's what we need. Still more junk. We'll just push Sturgeon's law from 90% to 99.99%. That will make things better. Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Reverend Jim That was my third edit of a response. The first two were basically "old man yelling at clouds". ![2025-02-25_151403.jpg](https://static.daniweb.com/attachments/3/e6a519b49fd69dfed333a4d51fc8e8c2.jpg) Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Dani This just showed up for me in [Search Engine Roundtable](https://www.seroundtable.com/google-sued-ai-overviews-38958.html). Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Dani > First is reciprocal dealing, meaning that Google forces companies like Chegg to supply our proprietary content in order to be included in Google’s search function. Basically what I've been saying ;) Re: How would we poison AI web crawls? Hardware and Software Information Security by Dani Is anyone keeping up with the [Chegg lawsuit](https://futurism.com/openai-google-hurting-publishers)? Re: Freedom of expression Community Center Geeks' Lounge by jwenting …, you've no personality left. In the absense of freedom of expression you get situations like the USSR under Stalin…reeducation") camps. You'd of course also loose all freedom of choice. 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