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We're doing some exciting new things with tags but it seems that adoption to use them has been slow. I'd like to encourage everyone to please start tagging your threads. The more people who do it, the more they get noticed and other people start.

Tagging is a great way to drive extra traffic to your threads. The tag clouds at the bottom of the page can also be built to reflect related content, and member profiles have tag clouds that demonstrate an overview of what that member likes to write about.

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    ~s.o.s~ 2,560   7 Years Ago

    >Oh I see, you replaced the existing tags with spam. Maybe you missed some of the important points of my previous post. My point being, if a member with zero posts can edit the tags for a given thread, nothing prevents him from automating the same. Think of it as … Read More

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    Dani 1,638   7 Years Ago

    Regular members can add tags, but they can't remove existing ones. However, I do understand your point and so I did make some adjustments. Now, only members with a reputation of over 100 or more than 50 posts are allowed to create new tags. Newer members are allowed to tag … Read More

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    Dani 1,638   7 Years Ago

    Actually I lowered the requirements ... and I'll still play around with it to see what's ideal. But the point is that there now ARE requirements. Read More

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The only tags on my profile are "give me teh codez" and "spam magnet". :)
They are still small though. "give me teh codez" should be much, much larger. I'll have to work on it.

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Awesome, thanks guys. Ezzaral, it really is amazing those tags aren't used very much. They're so obvious.

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Oh, and also ... everyone has the ability to tag ANY thread by clicking the edit tags link (right above the quick reply box). If you come across a good thread, add tags to it, because it's a great way to drive more traffic to the page and keep it on the radar for other people interested in the topic.

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That's very interesting! Please excuse my "test" tag, or remove it if you like. Lol just realised I can remove it myself.

Edited by majestic0110: see edit

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Just a thought, but couldn't somebody write a bot to cause mayhem with tags across all forums?

It wouldn't do much damage but would probably look bad.

*Edit*

Also I have just noticed a limitation of 10 which wasn't there before... that seems sensible.

Edited by iamthwee: n/a

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My profile says: BUG POLL, so time to add some tags to threads and get the bogus tags out of there :)

If you come across a good thread, add tags to it, because it's a great way to drive more traffic to the page and keep it on the radar for other people interested in the topic.

A while ago Salem suggested a 'fly paper' thread. Perhaps this idea needs a second look now that the tags are implemented?

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Allowing thread owners to tag their threads seems like a nice idea; if properly used can be used to easily hunt down difficult to search threads.

But allowing *everyone* to mess around with the tags of each and every thread kinda seems twisted. I guess I understand your rationale behind this one, to increase the adoption of this new tag feature, but still...I'm with iamthwee regarding this one.

Also, could you add a thin border around each tag? Single word tags work great but when mixed with multi-word tags, they kinda make little sense and are confusing from a UI perspective. For e.g. if you look at the tag cloud generated at the bottom of this page, what do you think the tags are? Is it "tag", "cloud", "tags", "thread" and "tagging" or "tag cloud", "tags" and "thread tagging" or so on and so forth.

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> But allowing *everyone* to mess around with the tags of each and every thread kinda seems twisted.

The idea is that the masses may want to tag a thread in a way that the thread starter wouldn't, or wouldn't think of, as another way of organizing DaniWeb. Over time, the goal is for a standardized system to evolve in the way people tag other people's threads. For example, coming up with a standardized system to tag threads that end up going wildly off topic. If a good number of people do this, you'll now be able to quickly identify these threads while browing the thread listings. Or the community coming up with a standardized tag for the most exceptional threads. Etc.

Every thread can have a maximum of 10 tags, only 6 of which can be applied by the thread starter.

Regarding the tag clouds not looking right with multi-word tags ... Tag clouds never have borders and IMO it would look very weird if we added borders around individual tags in a tag cloud. However, for the most part, tags are required to be only one word and separated by a space ... not multiple words separated by a comma. I am thinking I am most likely going to change it to conform more to universal standards.

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> The idea is that the masses may want to tag a thread in a way that the
> thread [snip]

I do understand the rationale behind your using tags but concerned about the ways in which they can get abused. As long as you are aware of those issues, its cool with me.

> Tag clouds never have borders

Not *never*, normally maybe? Take a look at this.

>I am thinking I am most likely going to change it to conform more to universal standards

Sounds good but needs to be taken on priority since you wouldn't want to have a lot of legacy multi-word tags floating around along with the standardized single-word tags.

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> I do understand the rationale behind your using tags but concerned about the ways in which they can get abused. As long as you are aware of those issues, its cool with me.

I don't see them being abused by others any more so than they would be abused by the thread starter. Plus there is the additional functionality in allowing threads to be tagged with terms describing how the thread has evolved or terms characterizing the thread by others, beyond the thread starter simply listing off topics their question is about. This adds a whole additional layer of functionality to the tags to allow them to be categorized in this way.

Plus, tags can be easily removed by moderators and there is a limit to the number of tags that can be applied to any given thread, how many can be applied by the thread starter, and how many can be applied by other people so I can't see it getting too out of control. Severe abuse of the tag functionality will be added to the forum rules as a no-no.

> Sounds good but needs to be taken on priority since you wouldn't want to have a lot of legacy multi-word tags floating around along with the standardized single-word tags.

Applied. There are already 5,000 tags in the system. To keep things backwards compatible, multiple word tags had their spaces removed so that "web 2.0" is changed to "web2.0" which, from what I understand, is the standard way of doing it. In cases where there already were spaced and non-spaced versions, a dash was added to make "web-2.0". And in cases where all three already existed, an underscore was added to make "web_2.0".

The tag clouds at the bottom of the page are cached hourly, so it can take up to about 50 additional minutes from now for everything to reflect the changes.

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> [snip]Plus, tags can be easily removed by moderators and there is a
> limit to the number of tags that can be applied to any given thread, how
> many can be applied by the thread starter. [snip] Severe abuse of the
> tag functionality will be added to the forum rules as a no-no.

But you are still missing the point. Let's say that I decide to screw around with the tag functionality to promote my site "sos.net". I fire-off a greasemonkey script or write a simple HttpClient which:
- traverses each thread [pretty simple with the sequential ids]
- edit each thread tag, un-check the existing ones and add tags like "www.sos.net", "programming-articles", "anime-fan", "hentai-fan", "more-spam" etc.
- rinse and repeat this for each thread [and yes, this can be easily done using a greasemonkey script]

I hope you see the problem now. No matter what the punishment be or the capability of mods being able to edit tags, you are pretty much hosed since along with losing your existing tags, you are a target of some smart spam marketing. Even if you have a backup of all the tags, bringing things back in action would take some time.

I do understand that you are very much excited about this collaborative editing of tags but posing some minimum requirement like at least 50 rep points or at least 100 posts might make more sense here if you still want to keep this feature around. Of course, all IMO, YMMV etc. etc.

> Applied [snip]

Nice work; though I still feel that keeping a thin 1-2 pixel border around the tag name would give it a nice look and feel. :)

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I'm not sure what you mean about losing existing tags or having a backup of all tags?

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I'm not sure what you mean about losing existing tags or having a backup of all tags?

Oh I see, you replaced the existing tags with spam. Well you were only able to do that because you're a moderator, so that would be seen as an abuse of moderator privileges. You could just as easily edit every post in a forum you moderate. At that point, it comes down to just having a moderation team that you trust ... whether it's with the threads, the posts, or the tags.

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>Oh I see, you replaced the existing tags with spam.

Maybe you missed some of the important points of my previous post. My point being, if a member with zero posts can edit the tags for a given thread, nothing prevents him from automating the same. Think of it as being along the same lines like the programmatic rep-attack which happened about a year back initiated by Rashakil.

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Regular members can add tags, but they can't remove existing ones.

However, I do understand your point and so I did make some adjustments. Now, only members with a reputation of over 100 or more than 50 posts are allowed to create new tags. Newer members are allowed to tag threads, but they have to choose from the existing tags already in the system. So, for example, they can't tag a thread with their website name.

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Actually I lowered the requirements ... and I'll still play around with it to see what's ideal. But the point is that there now ARE requirements.

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> However, I do understand your point and so I did make some
> adjustments [snip]

Sounds good enough, it shouldn't be a problem as long as this whole thing is configurable. And the initial rep/post count restriction should be enough to deter spammers and other evil doers ;-)

Good job, keep it up. :)

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