Seriously guys. You should've noticed something was up when I started babbling about acid oceans. I'm just trying to get you all to lighten up. Is that so wrong?

Electricity can be produced many different ways, be it fission, fusion, solar, hydro, wind, tidal, coal, bio gas, oil, geothermal and so on. Some of that fuel will never (well almost never) run out. Electricity is just a way to store, move energy, and power something more or less cleanly.

Yeah, an electric car would be a nice, stenchfree, and quiet transportation.

Seriously guys. You should've noticed something was up when I started babbling about acid oceans. I'm just trying to get you all to lighten up. Is that so wrong?

That's part of the problem. No matter how absurd the definition given, there are some people out there who'd probably suggest it seriously if they'd heard of it.

Electricity can be produced many different ways, be it fission, fusion, solar, hydro, wind, tidal, coal, bio gas, oil, geothermal and so on. Some of that fuel will never (well almost never) run out. Electricity is just a way to store, move energy, and power something more or less cleanly.

Yeah, an electric car would be a nice, stenchfree, and quiet transportation.

You have a point here, electricity is about the most universally useful form of energy. It can power anything from your computer, your house, your handy, to your car. The use as mobile power like for a car needs lots more work and ideas.

Yeah, an electric car would be a nice, stenchfree, and quiet transportation.

Assuming you don't live next to the power plant burning coal to create that power :P

handy?

Some folks refer to a cell phone as a 'handy'.

That's part of the problem. No matter how absurd the definition given, there are some people out there who'd probably suggest it seriously if they'd heard of it.

Which is indeed the case with "acid oceans", which were the scare story the environmental movement used in the 1970s to get people riled up about "acid rain".

Oh good! You take some of the acid ocean water, pour it over recycled aluminum cans to generate hydrogen to drive your car with.

Oh good! You take some of the acid ocean water, pour it over recycled aluminum cans to generate hydrogen to drive your car with.

There is a silver lining in every cloud.

Impossible, something that Hillary proposed that actually works! :)

I'm willing to bet the emission control on that one isn't as good as the link claims.

Note that all of the mass transit proponents live in southern California. They don't know about freezing temperatures, bridge bottlenecks, unpaved roads turning into quagmires, foot-deep snow on unshoveled walks, thunderstorms, and flooded sidewalks.

Note that mass transportation is not necessarily equal to public buses. :icon_cheesygrin:

But you still have to endure all of those just to GET to and from the transit.

The real problem is that, in most areas, not enough people make the same trip at the same time for even carpooling to work, let alone mass transit.

I usually see less than 3 people riding on our public transit buses whenever I see one.

Public transport, that's what that is. However, you could go roller-scating. Just make sure that wherever you go is always downhill. Use gravity power!

No you can't. In most areas, it's illegal to skate either in the street or on sidewalks. Skates are considered toys, not vehicles.

Taxis are very expensive. And they are not publicly owned.

But you still have to endure all of those just to GET to and from the transit.

The real problem is that, in most areas, not enough people make the same trip at the same time for even carpooling to work, let alone mass transit.

I usually see less than 3 people riding on our public transit buses whenever I see one.

True. With public transit, YMMV. The bus I used to ride to work (before I moved) was stuffed full (some people were forced to wait for later buses). But I've also been the only person on the bus. Public transit certainly isn't a silver bullet, and - as in most problems - there likely isn't a silver bullet to be had anyways.

I'd say use prisoners in giant gerbil wheels then. We certainly have enough of those and it's not like they have better things to do. Let them walk on wheels all day generating electricity.

(Edit: Clarification: I refer to convicted criminal prisoners - not people taken prisoner for labor.)

Then we should then make politicians really RUN for office.

Then we should then make politicians really RUN for office.

:D:D great idea

Honestly you need to give the enviromentalists a break. They're like this nagging voice at the back of your head that keeps you from sticking envelopes in your slot-load drive...

I thought it was illegal for government to enact the tenets of a religion - which Environmentalism is, given the way they behave.

The current breed of "environmentalists" are purely political creatures who don't care about the environment except as a means to an end, the end being absolute political power.

They are socialists who want to gain socialism through environmental means.

I still like the idea of bubbling the exhaust of a coal plant through beds of algae.

The last article I saw on the algae bed stuff said it has some very interesting potential, but the volume of algae beds required for full-scale plant operation would be enormous. I think it was many acres. I'll try to find the article link again when I get a few minutes to look for it.

Just in the news:

Mexico City has started a women-only bus service to protect female passengers from groping and verbal abuse common on the city's packed public transportation system.

A strange side effect of crowded public transportation, his and her busses and trains.

I still like the idea of bubbling the exhaust of a coal plant through beds of algae.

Burning coal produces a heap of toxic substances (SO2, arsenic, cadmium, selenium etc.) that accumulate in the water and would kill your algae real quick.

Besides, what would you do with tons and tons of slimy algae?

They are socialists who want to gain socialism through environmental means.

I don't think clean air and water is just for the benefit of socialists!

I don't think clean air and water is just for the benefit of socialists!

Who says that's what they're really concerned with? The entire argument was that a small group (labeled 'socialists') are using a hot-button topic, which does have benefit, or at least meaning, for a larger group, to further their own ends. These 'own ends' do not necessarily have anything to do with the means (the hot-button topic) being used to reach them, other than the means-end relation.

I don't think clean air and water is just for the benefit of socialists!

They won't get those...
They'll get total control over everyone's life through the implementation of draconian schemes to limit travel and other freedoms in the name of the "environment".

All those schemes won't make for clean air and water as they'll ruin the economy which will mean that industry (and government and its subjects) will no longer have the funds to care about "clean" things, have to do whatever it takes just to survive.

Just look at the huge amount of pollution generated by the old socialist countries of the east block!

Just in the news:

Mexico City has started a women-only bus service to protect female passengers from groping and verbal abuse common on the city's packed public transportation system.

A strange side effect of crowded public transportation, his and her busses and trains.

I believe Japan already has this in place on it's trains. Or at least it's come up before, because the problem is quite rampant there.