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>California is communist, isn't it? For that reason, such numbers.
Nope, California is not communist; that's Cuba. While socialism and communism are brothers of the same mother, their fathers are different.

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From the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, somewhat sobering ...

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California is communist, isn't it? For that reason, such numbers.

The Governor of California is Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger a Republican. He would hardly agree with such nonsense!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobseeker%27s_Allowance

"The Dole, is a form of unemployment benefit that is paid by the government to people who are unemployed and seeking work. it is part of the social security benefits system"

"Social security primarily refers to a social insurance program providing social protection, or protection against socially recognized conditions, including poverty, old age, disability, unemployment and others."

So i am correct.

So you are correct for the country in which you live; here in the US, Social Security is a separate system than Unemployment than Medicare than welfare. There is no overall 'dole' that covers all societies ills.

Social Security and MediCare are paid through a specific Federal income tax by both employer and employee (the self-employed are both);
Unemployment is paid by employers into state/federal coffers (FUTA);
Welfare is paid out of the general tax fund.

This is not to say that SS and Medicare funds are separate - they are added into the general fund.

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Nope, California is not communist; that's Cuba. While socialism and communism are brothers of the same mother, their fathers are different.

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you guys really hating the communist politics isn't it ?
As I see it's right and not right.me'sa also from a independent country in asia , but the difference is we never going to mess with
them.
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From the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, somewhat sobering ...

Looks like the curve is mildly exponential in nature, reflecting the fact that unemployment creates unemployment. I should go out and buy a Hummer to help GM.

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Looks like the curve is mildly exponential in nature, reflecting the fact that unemployment creates unemployment. I should go out and buy a Hummer to help GM.

True , this is known as the cycle of poverty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_of_poverty

Yes you are correct it's mathematically exponential but under some
assumptions. If that assumptions are true in some economic domain
then that's the end of that economic domain. However I'm not a
economy Σxpert.

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The american car industry has only got itself to blame. all its cars pale in comparison to similar german or japanese models. Its just like what happened to the britsh car industry in the last 30 years (its prettymuch dissapeared totally now)

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Here is a look at the job losses by county by month

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Here is a look at the job losses by county by month

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A little something to think about it. But not for you Liberals. There's not amount of test or reasoning that would convinced you of the wrongness of it, until it will hit you, and it will be too late.

A microcosm of socialism’s inevitable failure

Got this in an email from Richard Baehr:

An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single student before but had, once, failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said “Okay, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism.” All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too; so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F. The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great; but when government takes all the reward away; no one will try or want to succeed.

Could not be any simpler than that….

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... the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great; but when government takes all the reward away; no one will try or want to succeed.

Could not be any simpler than that….

Great story, makes a lot of sense. So who are the lazy socialists? The 13 million Americans that are unemployed, the companies that laid them off, or the fat bankers that ran off with the money?

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There is no test of reasoning that will convince a conservative that the world is a nuanced place and that the world is not binary. He starts with a scream at liberals and then jumps into a story about socialism. He probably even believes that the parable is something that happened in the real world and not made up from whole cloth by the co-founder of The American Thinker.
Any reader who has been to any college level course knows that the opening concept is crap - there is no thinking or unthinking class of 18-23 year old students that would agree unanimously on anything let alone socialism - especially considering this bit of right wing propaganda was supposed to take place in Texas. Here is a link to a different view.

You might notice the Al Franken advert, it is a liberal destination so if you can't handle an opposing point of view - don't go there. The analysis is pretty thorough and is about 5 chapters long.

The really odd thing is that Aia really does not see the difference between Liberals and Socialists and probably does believe that non-conservatives are unAmerican but that is a different story.

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