What is a totally irrational reason you refuse to use a certain tool or language?
I refuse to use any of those Twitter clones like Bluesky and Mastodon. They should learn to be more original and "Elon Musk owns it" isn't a good enough reason for me to bail on Twitter or X or whatever it's called. (Similarly, I think "Elon Musk owns it" isn't a good enough reason to boycott X and Tesla, either, but that's a whole other story.)
Jump to Post— rproffitt 3,249Irrational to you.
I see the issues such as https://www.reuters.com/investigations/musk-ordered-shutdown-starlink-satellite-service-ukraine-retook-territory-russia-2025-07-25/ and more.
I've made my choice. I will not support these people. Again I ask you to distance yourself from the Nazi's.
Jump to Post— Reverend Jim 6,665I don't think it is irrational to refuse to buy a Tesla. First of all there is the practical reason - too many people willing to deface a Tesla on sight. That means I'd be afraid to park it anywhere. Second of all - we've seen that Musk is vindictive. …
Jump to Post— SCBWV 441I don't think it is irrational to refuse to buy a Tesla. First of all there is the practical reason - too many people willing to deface a Tesla on sight. That means I'd be afraid to park it anywhere. Second of all - we've seen that Musk is …
Jump to Post— Reverend Jim 6,665I think he has gotten so rich that he feels he can do whatever urge hits him. It wasn't a rational business decision to buy Twitter, then do what he did. He bought it for 44 billion and it is now ballparked at below 10 billion. Apparently turning Twitter into …
Jump to Post— Reverend Jim 6,665despite him being the one to kill the company’s value to a fraction of what he purchased it for even before the sale.
Ayup.
Irrational to you.
I see the issues such as https://www.reuters.com/investigations/musk-ordered-shutdown-starlink-satellite-service-ukraine-retook-territory-russia-2025-07-25/ and more.
I've made my choice. I will not support these people. Again I ask you to distance yourself from the Nazi's.
It's a good enough reason for me to bail, which I did. And a good enough reason not to buy a Tesla, not to mention all the promises to owners not kept and build quality. Add in the fact that I live in the Mountain State where road grades would suck up range like a vacuum, electric vehicles don't make sense as a primary vehicle.
I don't think it is irrational to refuse to buy a Tesla. First of all there is the practical reason - too many people willing to deface a Tesla on sight. That means I'd be afraid to park it anywhere. Second of all - we've seen that Musk is vindictive. There is nothing to stop him from pushing out an update that disables/damages the vehicle.
I don't think it is irrational to refuse to buy a Tesla. First of all there is the practical reason - too many people willing to deface a Tesla on sight. That means I'd be afraid to park it anywhere. Second of all - we've seen that Musk is vindictive. There is nothing to stop him from pushing out an update that disables/damages the vehicle.
Agreed, on all points.
First of all there is the practical reason - too many people willing to deface a Tesla on sight. That means I'd be afraid to park it anywhere.
Where I live, in Silicon Valley, every other car is a Tesla, cybertrucks included. I've never seen one defaced. I also think we are the only one of our friends not to have one yet. (And the reason we don't have one yet is because, a few years ago, we had planned to trade in my 2013 BMW and purchase one in the upcoming year, but then in 2023 I got very sick and don't drive anymore.)
I do think that Elon Musk is a bit unhinged, but I also believe that there are checks and balances in place in a publicly traded company, and I also believe that he didn't get where he is today without having at least some amount of business smarts behind the scenes.
I use Twitter/X for one simple reason: Because I've used it for DaniWeb (my business) since 2008, it's brought me a good amount of web traffic and driven revenue over that time, and I'm not going to boycott something that helps my business because I may or may not like someone's public image at the company (someone I've never met and have no personal connection to, mind you).
As you could imagine, I've done business with many companies and advertising and PR agencies over the course of DaniWeb's 20+ year run. There have been many, many times that I personally was not a fan of someone I was doing business with, and in some cases, actually actively disliked some of them. However, in the end, I chose to put my personal feelings aside and do what I felt was right for the business.
I don't see why that should be different here.
I think he has gotten so rich that he feels he can do whatever urge hits him. It wasn't a rational business decision to buy Twitter, then do what he did. He bought it for 44 billion and it is now ballparked at below 10 billion. Apparently turning Twitter into a right wing echo chamber and unbanning fascist posters was a bad decision. Who woulda thought?
He is a fascist who helped get the person elected who may very well destroy the country, if not the world. and I refuse to give him my business.
Obviously, there's a business case for utilizing Twitter/X. There are also personal rationales for not supporting his businesses. Outside of Musk as a person, there are MANY reasons I would never buy a Tesla. Being popular in California doesn't negate all the issues I have with Tesla vehicles. Quite frankly, China EV are kicking ass. If it wasn't for protectionist policies, they'd be dominant in the US. Ask Ford CEO Jim Farley.
It wasn't a rational business decision to buy Twitter, then do what he did. He bought it for 44 billion and it is now ballparked at below 10 billion.
He was forced to buy Twitter. He wouldn’t have done it on his own. I don’t remember the complete story anymore, but I believe that he initially showed interest in buying the social network, and during the disclosure process, he discovered that most users were bots. In an attempt to lower the purchase price (or perhaps just because he has loose lips), he outed Twitter. Twitter refused to lower the price to something that matched the real number of users they had, or to whatever new number he wanted, and so he decided not to purchase it anymore. Twitter then sued him because he ignored an NDA and disclosed private information about the company, effectively lowering their stock price by A LOT, and then decided to just up and walk away. The court then forced him to buy Twitter at the initial price, despite him being the one to kill the company’s value to a fraction of what he purchased it for even before the sale.
despite him being the one to kill the company’s value to a fraction of what he purchased it for even before the sale.
Ayup.
Obviously, there's a business case for utilizing Twitter/X. There are also personal rationales for not supporting his businesses. Outside of Musk as a person, there are MANY reasons I would never buy a Tesla. Being popular in California doesn't negate all the issues I have with Tesla vehicles. Quite frankly, China EV are kicking ass. If it wasn't for protectionist policies, they'd be dominant in the US. Ask Ford CEO Jim Farley.
I meant to simply illustrate that different parts of the world have different cultures and values, and I live in a bit of a bubble, I suppose. I don't know what's going on in the rest of the world, but I'm surrounded by Teslas, and I don't think anyone around here at all sees someone driving a Tesla and jumps to the conclusion that they are a Trump supporter (probably the opposite, actually), or that they deserve to have their car vandalized.
Personally, I am very attracted to Tesla's self-driving car initiative because, as someone who doesn't feel comfortable driving anymore, being able to get around places by myself in my own car would give me a lot of freedom and independence that I currently don't have. However, the idea that it reports everywhere the car goes and everything that happens back home, essentially making Tesla a big data company, certainly doesn't excite me all too much. However, I think that any car manufacturer of self driving cars is essentially in the data business, no? I think then it would come down to which company you trust the most with your data, if you absolutely had to pick one.
Before this all hit the fan we looked into buying a Tesla for its driver assist features until I saw a couple of video reviews and realized that because of our city's poor record in maintaining proper lane markings and the amount ov snow/slush it would be impossible for the tech to keep the car in its lane.
I'm not opposed to getting an electric car, but only a small one for poking around town. I'd still keep our other car as an internal combustion engine car for longer journeys.
One of the biggest deterrents I have with new cars is the trend of sticking a massive iPad on your dashboard and having almost all of the controls on it. I like having physical buttons and dials that I can find without looking, whereas with touch controls you have to look at where you're touching to hit the right spot on the screen. I believe that method to be a safety concern.
In the UK the police are really hot on mobile phone usage while driving and there are heavy fines and licence penalties attached to it. But operating a giant iPad stuck to your dashboard while driving is apparently completely fine and safe. I disagree.
After we bailed on Tesla we looked into a Prius hybrid. We determined we could run on pure electric for almost 100% of our driving. And then the dealer told us there was a two year waiting list. Another plus, because it is not built in the US it is not subject to retaliatory tariffs. We have, whenever possible, struck US goods from all our purchases. Apparently slapping 35% plus tariffs on Canadian goods is smart negotiating but boycotting US goods is just being nasty.
Before this all hit the fan we looked into buying a Tesla for its driver assist features until I saw a couple of video reviews and realized that because of our city's poor record in maintaining proper lane markings and the amount ov snow/slush it would be impossible for the tech to keep the car in its lane.
A lot of self driving cars use my neck of the woods for testing, so I’m not concerned about them not understanding how to navigate the streets I would need to travel on. My old rental apartment was not too far from Gooogleplex, and there was at least one car without a driver spotted going past me while I waited at the crosswalk each time I wished to cross the street. Back then I of course used to drive, and I’ve driven around (merging in front of, etc.) driverless cars quite a bit. This was about 8 years ago now, so I assume the technology has only improved since then.
I'm not opposed to getting an electric car, but only a small one for poking around town. I'd still keep our other car as an internal combustion engine car for longer journeys.
One of the biggest deterrents I have with new cars is the trend of sticking a massive iPad on your dashboard and having almost all of the controls on it. I like having physical buttons and dials that I can find without looking, whereas with touch controls you have to look at where you're touching to hit the right spot on the screen. I believe that method to be a safety concern.
In the UK the police are really hot on mobile phone usage while driving and there are heavy fines and licence penalties attached to it. But operating a giant iPad stuck to your dashboard while driving is apparently completely fine and safe. I disagree.
The reason I think it’s completely fine and safe, as well, is because the iPhone came out 18 years ago. That means that legal adults, including all new 15-16 year old drivers today, grew up not having any exposure to physical dials and buttons, and feeling much more comfortable with touch devices. In fact, using touch devices constantly throughout their daily lives, all their lives.
It reminds me of an initiative I heard about years back where they considered replacing the steering wheel with something that more closely resembled a game console controller, because that’s what pretty much every boomer’s kid (e.g. I’m 42 now, born in the early 80s, and had a Nintendo console since elementary school) was most comfortable with.
One of the biggest deterrents I have with new cars is the trend of sticking a massive iPad on your dashboard and having almost all of the controls on it.
As an example, I’m in my 40s now, but back when I was 16 years old, I got a 2000 Acura TL for my birthday. Twenty-five years ago, my car had a touch screen GPS that also served as the only way to control things like the A/C.
Basically the car had a GPS or non-GPS package back then, and if you purchased the navigation package, the center dash came with a screen that also had to do all the other functions that the dials that were taken out to make room for the screen were doing. (Since the rest of the dash was the same.)
Manufacturers have made concept cars with alternatives to the steering wheel. These included single tillers, single joysticks, and double joysticks. While safer for the driver (no steering wheel impact injuries) I suspect that they were not as safe as steering wheels. With your hands on the steering wheel at the recommended nine and three positions, it is difficult to make a sudden move that will send your car off in the wrong direction. You need a large circular notion to make a large course change. With a joystick or tiller you could easily lose control with a sudden left or right motion. The steering wheel gives you finer control where a small motion does not result in a large course change. A joystick has a much smaller field of play relative to the wheel orientation.
Also, if you have ever had to steer a car when the power steering fails you know that it takes much more effort but is manageable. A joystick would have to be mechanically isolated from the wheels meaning that if the control system fails you have no control at all.
Having the option of joystick or wheel would mean that you would have to be tested on both to get your licence. This would increase driver training and testing time and cost. I learned how to drive on a standard and was tested on the same. I don't know what the rules are now, but back then if you tested on an automatic transmission you were not licenced to drive a standard transmission.
As an analogy, you can set your computer mouse to various sensitivities. If you are only editing text you may be OK with larger cursor movement for a smaller mouse movement. But for finer work like CAD you would likely want finer control.
Having the option of joystick or wheel would mean that you would have to be tested on both to get your licence. This would increase driver training and testing time and cost. I learned how to drive on a standard and was tested on the same. I don't know what the rules are now, but back then if you tested on an automatic transmission you were not licenced to drive a standard transmission.
At least here in the US, there is no distinction between a manual or an automatic driver's license. I know people who learned and tested with an automatic, and years later drove manual. A passenger vehicle driver's license (Class D) lets you drive absolutely any regular vehicle. The only distinction I am aware of is you have to have a separate commercial driver's license (Classes A-C) to drive a large truck, bus, etc. or a Class M license to drive a motorcycle.
Alright! Sometimes it's just a matter of vibe; even if others leave, it can be difficult to join a platform that lacks originality or feels like a copy.
At least here in the US, there is no distinction between a manual or an automatic driver's license
In the UK there is a distinction. If you pass your driving test with a manual car you can drive manual and automatic, but you can choose to take your driving test with an automatic which which you're only allowed to drive auto, not manual.
Also in the UK the government have said that manufacturers are not allowed to sell new petrol and diesel cars from 2030, so eventually I expect to see need for a manual driving licence becoming less common since all electric cars do not have manual gears.
California, where I live, started an initiative a few years ago to require car manufacturers to sell an increasing number of electric cars each year, up to entirely banning the sale of non-electric cars by 2035. Other US states have their own similar laws in place, but, to my knowledge, there's not any federal law about this yet. It probably has to do with red states versus blue states.
Yeah. Trumpty Dumpty is planning to have that mandate tossed out. And it's not just about red vs blue states. It's also about the billions of dollars the fossil fuel industry pumps into the pockets of GOP lawmakers. During the last election Trump publicy told the fossil fuel CEOs that for a billion dollar contribution he'd pass whatever laws they wanted.
I think that consumers recognize electric vehicles as enough of an upgrade that, it might take a bit longer than hoped, but the world will ultimately end up in that direction despite what big business wants.
California, where I live, started an initiative a few years ago to require car manufacturers to sell an increasing number of electric cars each year, up to entirely banning the sale of non-electric cars by 2035.
Is this misinformation? The initiative is for cleaner cars. Off the top of my head there are hydrogen, compressed air, liquid nitrogen and dilithium crystals. The last one is actually the radioactive diamond battery. Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_battery
As to federal law, the current regime is fact tracking the US to the bad place.
the world will ultimately end up in that direction
While we probably have the technology to halt, and maybe even reverse the damage we have done to the environment, I seriously doubt we have the will or the intelligence. Judging by the large number of people who will believe anything the great pumpkin says, even when he says two things which can't both be true, there are enough morons who will ensure that we will all eventually kill the planet.
The planet will survive. But will humans?
Of course. The planet will be fine, eventually. If not a thousand years after we were gone then maybe a million. With no one around to measure time what difference does it make?
Is this misinformation?
Yes, it's quite likely I lumped all non-gas vehicles together as electric vehicles.
With no one around to measure time what difference does it make?
Define no one. The cockroach will still be around. Those buggers will make it through anything.
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