Posts by cwarn23

If Australia is an actual Democracy, you can vote the bums out of office.

The only thing is that the opposition at this stage also supports the filter at the full extent. I wonder if that kid who cracked the governments first filter in half an hour will crack this new filter in a few minutes. That would be funny. :twisted: In cause your not sure what the first filter was, it was an optional client side filter which the government was trying to spread.

Post 66 - You (at least at one point) had a theory that Pi didn't exist that got "slaughtered", so apparently your views very recently changed. Here's what I believe regarding pi:

1. It exists.
2. It's irrational.
3. Its length is infinite (see point 2 above).
4. It's equal to 3.14159...
5. None of the points above will change in the slightest if we discover that atoms, molecules, pixels, quarks, etc. are a different shape than we thought they were before.

If you agree with all the points above, then I think we all agree (I'm assuming everyone else agrees with the points above). If you don't agree with any of the points above, please point out which one(s) you don't agree with.

Those points are all correct and the reason - magnetic fields are rounded. So many of my first posts in this topic are inaccurate due to the lack of knowledge but after this discussion I see how pi exists just like every body else on earth says it exists. So could we talk about pi now because I'm hungry.

For the most part, 10% of the features cause 90% of the server load. For example, accessing the memberlist was removed because anyone trying to visit just a single page of the memberlist would hang up the database for over a minute. If multiple members accessed the memberlist at the same time, it could ultimately bring down the database. Additionally, the Who's Currently Online statistics were removed (i.e. X Viewing, 8000 users currently online, etc) because I found out that the feature was a HUGE bottleneck for the database server, and removing the feature lowered the load average by an entire order of magniture (1% to 0.1%).

Also, the amount of times that Googlebot crawls your site is directly related to how much love you have from Google and how much of an authority site Google considers you. We almost always have Googlebot crawling at least a few hundred pages simultaneously at any given time of the day or night.

Interesting statistics. I just have one question. Does the tag cloud use much cpu because I haven't worked out it's function.

Okay, i know i said i was leaving this thread, but think.. cwarn23, you are challenging the whole idea of pi... then why are you making a calculator that makes the "wrong" pi? or does this new calculator take into account how many "atoms" there are in the "circle" and spit out your new idea of pi?

I can't believe nobody gets me. I believe in pi just like you do but I found out the hard way.

Couldnt the server be set to detect that Dani and then block the offending IP for 5 minutes?

Great idea that gives me another idea for the solution... What about if any ip request accesses more than 30 pages per minute then the ip is denied access for half an hour. I don't think the googlebot would access more than that and my Solution Search Bot only accesses less than 15 pages every 4 hours.

I see My Favourite Forums is back - THANKS!! Really like it.
Also if your after more cpu you could probably delete that "Posting Rules" box when typing a reply like I am now. I would Imagen that it would cause a bit of serverload for a useless feature. The "Posting Rules" box is only really useful when different forums have different permissions and when it varies a lot. In case your not sure what the "Posting Rules" box is this is a quote from it:

You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Also about the tag cloud. Not the tags for the current thread but the grouped tags for an entire forum. Wouldn't that drain a lot of cpu. Perhaps only show the tags for the current thread and not to show the tag cloud in topic list view. …

How did we go from pi to evolution to religion ?

I don't know why we are talking about that and I would much prefer to talk about pi. I think it is part of the 3 point rule how any two subjects can relate within 3 points. But as for pi, I am making a pi calculator for it in c++. Gee it is fun making a pi calculator.

Who is going to post pi to a million digits so we know the result is correct? :)

I tried but got this error

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 16777216 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 1040109 bytes) in /home/daniweb/httpdocs/forums/includes/functions_newpost.php on line 246

No Darwin's theory would not be considered a religion; evolution is a testable, provable theory and, as such. is the purview of science. If it were a belief, then it would be a religion.

You need a Biology history lesson. I shall provide it. You may not realise this but the United States courts have determined that creationism/intelligent design is a religion. This is true because in the center of the theory is a god. However with Darwins theory it was so simular to creationism that the courts had to debate weather evolution was a religion. In the end it was determined while evolution remains a theory (Not fact) it is not a religion. However the trial lasted for a few days along with protests from the schools as the result was for evolution to be taught in all American schools. Many teachers didn't like that and refused to present the one minute speech so substitutes had to read the one minute speech as many people denied evolution as a theory although the courts didn't. Many say the reason is that evolution contradicts with their religion and there for evolution must be a religion but in my opinion that is not true. However it was determined that creationism is a religion because it is like something copied from the bible and transfered to science.
Just what the courts said in the mid 1900's.

Hi and I am making a maths library which will accept infinit digits but what is the best formula a computer can understand for devision. The only one I have come across so far is long devision but is there anything better? The following is the kinda formula I am thinking of doing...

input1=8
input2=3
amount=0
answer=0
while (amount<=(input1-input2)) {
amount = amount + input2
answer = answer + 1
}
remainder = input1-amount

//------ results
remainder
floor of answer
//------

Now that I have the floor(answer) and the remainder, how do I work out the 0.666666666 which ((1/input2)*remainder) will give. Of course I am making a division algorithm so I can't use division or multiplication to get the answer. I can only use addition and subtraction. I think long devision is a slow answer but is there anything faster. By faster I mean less use of addition and subtraction but only use of addition and subtraction. Any ideas explained clearly??

Every damn time someone digs up a fossil, the theory of evolution is put to the test and it passes every time.

Yes that is correct. For example if we found a fossil the shape of a cube and none like it then people would start to think of an explanation or an alternative theory. It is only when it's called darwins law that it is fact. However since it's called darwins theory that gives room for alteration of the theory.

How did you bring theory of gravity into your lack of thought?

Well that string was a direct quote from a movie supporting darwins theory and is as follows:

An alternative view to a subject just like how gravity is a theory...

In fact that statement was the only thing which convinced the courts to allow darwins theory to be tought in American schools otherwise darwins theory would be classified as a religion. As you can see I have done more biology than science although they are sorta similar.

If it's done by the government it is bound to be stupid!

I agree the Rudd government is that stew-pid. I bet Mr Rudd (The prime minister) is able to get unlimited unfiltered internet while everybody else has to suffer... I have seen the education networks filters which have been there for many years and they block everything. Even google in some places. For example I couldn't access my paid hosting at freewebs on the education network nor could I access ebay. So if this filter is anything like the education network filters then I might have to go back to books and scrolls with feather ink. That would be disappointing.

No that's what you make of it by applying your own crappy definition which says that anything which cannot be proven is a religion. What you are doing is trying to disapprove that PI is what it is, in a non-mathematical way.

I think you read it wrong... I said religion is old science. In other words science from before around 100AD. Also if you don't get this I believe pi DOES exist and will continue to exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why do you not get this. Also the rest we are arguing about are more like personal opinions (My sqrt(pi) cents).

Now you're mixing up religion with science, everybody just knows that this is wrong.
So by analyzing your statement, you're actually just saying that your 'theory' is just the opposite of science, well done!

So you claim "Darwins theory of Evolution - The origin of species" is a religion! This is quite an insult to the scientific community as it denies many parts of genetics which is based on evolution. Also you denied Lemarkism as a science and claim it is a religion too. (Simular to the evolution theory) So you have denied many sciences and said they are a religion...

I know my theory is just as controversial as evolution. Not many people will believe it at first but if the word gets around then in 80 years it will be common knowledge. So there is no real difference between science and religion. The difference, religion is science created before todays primary science stream was created. Religion or the religious science is not that accurate because it's so old.

Hi and I have heard that the australian internet filter (isp level) is due in 2010 which is comming soon... Just like thousands of other people around the nation I will be finding a way around the filter. I have read some isp's have already installed the filter for a trial and just need to flick a switch to get it working.

Now that you are familiar with the situation aussies are faced with I hope daniweb isn't blocked on the blacklist. What do you think about this filter because I would say it sux. I know many computer languages and have had some experience with network filters so shouldn't be a problem to go around the filter as one day the whole internet will be blocked. I remember a place where google was blocked. Anyways your opinion...

Then there's a potential danger that you conclude wrong things from a wrong 'theory'.
If you plan to use your 'theory' in Mathematics, you should first be able to prove it mathematically, and since you can't, I don't see any practical use of your 'theory' (except for making yourself ridiculous to other people), you should just drop it.

That is like the theory of religion and the theory of our current year. I have guestemated our year to be something like 2045 instead of 2010. Also as for religion, it hasn't been proven and that theory still exists so why not mine?

Let me explain something to you about dictionaries: Those definitions that are listed first are considered the best definition; you offer us definition #5 just barely above guess or conjecture.. I read the links I post and I understand them. I think guess describes you idea perfectly. In order for you to have a system or method, you must offer more that "I think this so it must be correct".

I never said that my theories where 100% accurate or that they are even true. Check the work theory in the dictionary or from the movie "Darwins theory - The beagle voyage". You will find in that non-fiction film a scientific case that challenged Darwins theory. In that case the scientists had to define the word "theory". That definition was "An alternative view to a subject just like how gravity is a theory...". And using that definition I am providing theories not facts! The definition of the word "fact" is very different to the word "theory" as theories are not always true and are just another way of looking at the subject.
So with that being said my statements are theories and I strongly support/believe them...

cwarn, you have this page on your own website:

http://syntax.cwarn23.net/PHP/Calculate_pi

On this page on your website, you state the following:

So it seems that you too are convinced that Pi does not have a finite length. Yet you state this in post 12 of this thread.

http://www.daniweb.com/forums/post1075376.html#post1075376

I am working on another theory where pi does exist but our dimension has infinit axis. My theory of pi not existing was slaughtered when discovering electrons are round. So things have changed in recent times due to this thread... But as for now I am working on the theory of what makes all the elements on the periodic table and its shape. That will explain how many axis are in our dimension and if that element is the shape of a cube for example then we would have 3 axis's. But it is probably best to leave it for the experts...

cwarn - you do not have theories, you do not even have hypotheses, you only have random 'thingies' that you try to string together. You do not even seem to understand the meaning of the few facts you repeat to support your 'thingies'.

Theory
Hypothesis

Read the dictionary properly (link). Definition 5 of a theory:

a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.

That describes it perfectly so try using a dictionary yourself more often. This reminds me of the case of evolution where the scientists had to define what a theory is.

Hey guys, Need some back up on the challenge question in C++ forum.
Or is this just going to be another washed up thread?

I think it's going to be another washed up thread. It's not easy to understand and I couldn't be bothered pming to find out what the question is. For now I will be making a pi calculator lets see who can make the fastest pi calculator using any language. As for me I'm using c++. And this pi calculator would need the ability to calculate up to 1 million digits.

Hi and this function I wrote as part of a larger project and acts exactly like the php explode function. Although there a few slight differences between this function and the php explode function it can easily be tweaked to act identical. Also with this function it does not use vectors. Instead it uses an array as the result and in the result array, the combination being split will not appear in any of the strings just like the php function does.

In case your wondering how to use this function simply place in the string to split (param1) and where to split it (param2) then it will return an string array with the results. Hope you enjoy this function and that this page is a good reference...

Perhaps try accessing your page with a url variable like the following:

index.php?Submit=Submit&a=this+is+a+test+variable

That should input those variables into the $_REQUEST although posting with a form will do the same. But at the moment it seems that your page isn't receiving those variables...

I would say the exact opposite, being open minded means you accept certain facts and build on them, ignoring facts and making quick conclusions is stubborn.

I think the main problem here is that there are theories that contradict. Some of your theories contradict my theories and as I see evidence I choose which is best. However the main theory which is making this thread a mess is that everything on the periodic table is made of one substance with different densities. That is what I have and probably always will believe in as it explains everything such as light, liquids, solids etc and their origin. Unless there is a better theory that is what I have chosen for now... So as you can see I will accept new facts as long as they make a good case.

When you use the $_REQUEST variable you need to either place the data in the url or post to the page the data which will allow the page to receive the requested data.

Proof of ignorance

in user Cwarn23 we can see:
    he doesn't read links (given)
    he doesn't know proper higher maths (obvious)
    he ignores all valid points (drawn from answers)
Therefore Cwarn23 is obviously missing the point and not worth our time.

There we go, a pseudo mathematical proof with reasoning. And i think we can all listen to it. I certainly shall.

I wouldn't say that I'm ignorant but instead open minded. Exploring concepts that haven't been explored before and seeing if they can be true. When I'm worth a million dollars that will be a 1 million dollar quote. And I believe I could easily invent to AI algorithms for robotics when their tools are easily accessible.

@cwarn23
Consider yourself as 2-dimensional.(Forget your cube thing)
You live in a 2-dimensional world, together with other 2-dimensional people. So the only things you know are length and width. Now if you are all enclosed in a circle, nobody can escape. Remember you are 2-dimensional! Now there is some smart guy who knows 3 dimensions, he has the concept of height!!! So he can just dissapear before your eyes and even move outside the circle!
Now consider again. You are 3-dimensional and you are together with a smart guy inside a giant football. You cannot move outside the fooball, right? Well the smart guy knows what the fourth dimension is and just dissapears right before your eyes :-O
Through a hole in the football you can see him again …

Ok, now let me give you my rebuttal. So imagine you are again
located at point (0,0), in a Cartesian coordinate. And your
target is to get to point (1,1). Now here is the question :
Would, you first move right one, and then up one unit, or would you
simply take a diagonal step towards the point(1,1) ? Obviously, a sane person, would move diagonally. Now here is the more
important part, Notice that you did not have to move one step right,
and one step up, you simply just took a diagonal step to reach your
target. Right ?

From my understanding of what I have been taught you cannot move diagonally on the grid so say you were on point 0,0,0 (x y z) and wanted to get to point 1,1,1 (x y z) then you would need to first move up then move across x then move across y as the corners of where the lines meet on the grid are like barriers. And that is where the cube effect comes in which makes me wonder if there are by far more than 3 dimensions.

As well, every point in a sphere can be referenced with an X, Y and Z co-ordinate. Thats why we need 3 dimensions... Duh

But for the object to move diagonally that would require moving along multiple axis making things ultimately move like cubes. This would also mean gravity and other forces would have a cube effect in their direction. So it would be impossible to just use 3 axis as 3 axis only allows the positioning of objects and not the diagonal movement of objects.

Also I read your link and is basically a bunch of formulas.

What about a c++ pi calculator?

You can not assume everything is made up of cubes. Nothing is made up of cubes - even the nucleus of He (2 protons + 2 neutrons) is not a cube. The way the weak forces work is they bring everything equidistant from the center. There are no sharp edges in the world of particles no matter if you consider them waves, strings, quarks or billiard balls - the universe is smooth and round.

If everything is not made of cubes then why are we in the 3rd dimension and not in something like the 256th dimension. Because theoretically all objects are limited to move along their axis. If however that is not how reality works then there is something terribly wrong with the theory of there being 3 dimensions. But other than that I am starting to get the science of how pi exists. Might write another pi calculator.

I managed to make the following but I can't seem to slot the DLLEXPORT in there.

#define DLLEXPORT extern "C" __declspec ( dllexport )
#define var(variable)    \
{                        \
    return variable;     \
}

With the above method it should be possible to define a function with unknown variable types but I just need to know how I can slot in the DLLEXPORT so the function will be exported into the dll. I tried the following but got a fatal error when trying to use the dll:

#define DLLEXPORT extern "C" __declspec ( dllexport )
#define var(variable) DLLEXPORT    \
{                                  \
    return variable;               \
}

Any ideas?

So do they offer an Easter egg instead?

>>OPEN IT IN OFFICE 2OO7
Good God. You're just like clueless users who send screenshots to tech support in a Word document. Offer plain text or everyone will assume you're trying to spread malware.

Yer, I never opened it because people can easily append malicious code the the word documenting making it delete every file on my computer. I don't want that to happen so try posting the code in code tags instead of in a separate file. Then I will happily read it. Amazing some of the viruses people make these days...

Then how did the php written in C managed to get mixed variables in it's syntax? There must be a way because I have a function but any type of variable can be inserted into each of the function parameters which makes it impossible to define. Example, the following:

DLLEXPORT int fprintf_(FILE *stream, const char *format,  char a[]="", char b[]="") {
return fprintf(stream, format, a, b);
}

The only problem with the above code is that the last two parameters can be any type of variable. I have seen such thing done in the open source php written in C but am not good at understanding large complex source but I just don't know how. Any suggestions?

Are there any tutorials on defining a variable so that it can be used for any type. Example the following:

int main() {

var myvariable;
myvariable="this is a test";
myvariable=3.141592;
myvariable=myvariable*myvariable;

return 0;
}

But I don't know how to make it possible to make the above code possible. It is mainly so I can forward the last parameters of the fprintf and fscanf function in a dll function but would be useful for other things too. Does anybody know how to define a mixed variable?

Somebody please help...

The number of logged in members in each section of the site (and overall) was removed because it stressed the database just to display a count when it's possible to see the actual list of members anyways. Plus it looked bad when it just said 2 members in this section or 3 members in that section ... the numbers aren't really that impressive.

MFF will be discussed in the future :) Stay tuned.

Thanks for that info and may I suggest that some cpu hungry features only be available when logged in so that way those features only need to be processed to the 40 or so users that are currently logged in. Just a suggestion...

I have notice that some of the great features Daniweb offers have lately disappeared. Will the same happen to the advertisement feature? So far I have noticed that the number of people online at the top has disappeared and my favorite links to the right where the common forums are listed has disappeared. Is there more to disappear in the coming months and what is the reason behind this Dani because I thought Daniweb was meant to be the fully featured forum unlike it's sister site programmingforums.org. Please explain why such a good feature like common forum links would just disappear.

I cleaned up the code a bit and although I don't know much about setting up the arrays in a html form I believe the complete code should look more like the following:

<strong>Update multiple rows in mysql</strong><br> 
<?php
$host="localhost"; // Host name 
$username="root"; // Mysql username 
$password=""; // Mysql password 
$db_name="onm"; // Database name 
$tbl_name="sims_ac"; // Table name 

// Connect to server and select databse.
mysql_connect("$host", "$username", "$password")or die("cannot connect"); 
mysql_select_db("$db_name")or die("cannot select DB");
$a='S-KTR-0139';

$sql="SELECT * FROM $tbl_name WHERE SiteID ='$a'";
$result=mysql_query($sql);

// Count table rows 
$count=mysql_num_rows($result);
?>
<table width="500" border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0">
<form name="form1" method="post" action="">
<tr> 
<td>
<table width="500" border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0">


<tr>
<td align="center"><strong>SiteId</strong></td>
<td align="center"><strong>AcMake</strong></td>
<td align="center"><strong>AcCapacity </strong></td>
<td align="center"><strong>AMP</strong></td>
<td align="center"><strong>qty</strong></td>


</tr>
<?php
for ($i=0;$rows=mysql_fetch_array($result);$i++){
echo "<tr>\n";
echo '<td align="center">'.$a.'</td>'."\n";
echo '<td align="center"><input name="AcMake['.$i.']" type="text" id="AcMake" value="'.$rows['AcMake'].'"></td>'."\n";
echo '<td align="center"><input name="AcCapacity['.$i.']" type="text" id="AcCapacity" value="'.$rows['AcCapacity'].'"></td>'."\n";
echo '<td align="center"><input name="AMP['.$i.']" type="text" id="AMP" value="'.$rows['AMP'].'"></td>'."\n";
echo '<td align="center"><input name="qty['.$i.']" type="text" id="qty" value="'.$rows['qty'].'"></td>'."\n";
echo "</tr>\n";
}
?><tr>
<td colspan="4" align="center"><input type="submit" name="Submit" value="Submit"></td>
</tr>
</table>
</td>
</tr>
</form>
</table>
<?php
// Check if button name "Submit" is active, do this 
if($_POST["Submit"]=="Submit")
{
for($i=0;$i<$count;$i++){
echo "hi";
$sql1='UPDATE `'.mysql_real_escape_string($tbl_name).'` SET AcMake="'.mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['AcMake'][$i]).'", AcCapacity="'.mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['AcCapacity'][$i]).'", AMP="'.mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['AMP'][$i]).'", qty="'.mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['qty'][$i]).'" WHERE SiteId="'.mysql_real_escape_string($a).'"';
$result1=mysql_query($sql1);
}
}
mysql_close();
?>

That code in it's design is flawed. The following line will cause a lot of trouble:

$sql1="UPDATE $tbl_name SET AcMake='$AcMake[$i]', AcCapacity='$AcCapacity[$i]', AMP='$AMP[$i]', qty='$qty[$i]' WHERE SiteId='$a'";

The arrays placed into this query do not exist. From my guess you are trying to use $_POST values in some strange way. So I would suggest the following code or please explain that line.

$sql1='UPDATE `'.mysql_real_escape_string($tbl_name).'` SET AcMake="'.mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['AcMake'][$i]).'", AcCapacity="'.mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['AcCapacity'][$i]).'", AMP="'.mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['AMP'][$i]).'", qty="'.mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['qty'][$i]).'" WHERE SiteId="'.mysql_real_escape_string($a).'"';

Sometimes I like to surf the tennis net...

Why are you always referring to a circle using matter or particles?
A circle is a mathematical object, like a line or hyperbola, whatever.
All the real numbers that follow the equation Y^2 + X^2 = R^2 (R being the radius) are belonging to the set we call a circle. There are an infinite number of those reals, just as there are an infinite number of reals on a straight line. You can never construct a circle with lego-blocks, atoms, pixels, printerink , grains of sand.....

I get what your saying but theoretically if we had the technology (which we don't) then we could construct a circle which would almost immediately be blown out of shape by gravity. That is theoretical. Also if electrons make an atom, what substance makes the electrons and what shape are they? Just curious...

Also as for why pi may not exist in my theory is that if the substance which makes all elements around us is a cube then that would mean the MS Paint model is very accurate. If however that substance is a cypher and it's self force pull comes from at least 18 directions then pi exists. But for now I shall assume that ultimately everything is made of cubes.

You know your a geek when you write a program to print out the internet.

I wouldn't disregard it complete, though, out of fear of backwards incompatibility. Not before testing it.

As I mentioned in my first post, I have tested mediawiki and some scripts I made on php 5.2 - worked fine in the old version. Transfered it to php 5.3, errors popped up in the syntax in the core of mediawiki where I shouldn't need to edit but with php 5.3 you do due to the new syntax. So I have tested both versions and although basic apps will easily migrate - advanced oop apps especially along with a few other cms's will not migrate. Have tested this myself and you can give it a try.

Recently I have installed php 5.3 on a pc and just like many posts on this forum have been saying the latest version of php does not guarantee 100% backwards compatibility. Especially for some oop parameters where the symbol "&" needs to be used before the variable at specific points unlike php 5.2. Due to these changes php.net recommends for people to upgrade to 5.3 although I wouldn't recommend it myself if you have an existing scripts. Also if you want cms's like mediawiki to work under 5.3 then some modifications to the core of the script will be necessary. Just thought I would point this out as it explains a few of the problems posted in this forum and hopefully this can be made a sticky. Any comments on the issue are welcome...

I have been searching on the web but can't find an answer to this question. How do I make a simple script that will read the functions in a php.net dll file where it can be used in c++. The main reason why I am trying to do this is so that I can make a dll which is a plugin for gamemaker and php dll's can plugin to my dll extending functionality.

So as I asked, are there any links/tutorials or code for reading the php.net dll files just like php does because php's source code is massive and is hard to decipher the required & junk stuff.

I guess, if no one starts a special thread by this weekend , then I will just
post a start-up question.

I started a thread two days ago and no replies. :P
http://www.daniweb.com/forums/thread245711.html
My suggestion was making an open source php forum with no security holes unlike phpbb and many others. But other suggestions are welcome. :icon_cheesygrin:

Glad you could make it here and hope you enjoy your time with our friendly community...

How do you come up with this stuff? 70% by volume? by mass?

I remember seeing on a documentary about the race to see what makes up the missing proportion of the universe and turned out the missing 70% of our universe was energy. That makes the other 30% other elements such as solids, liquids etc. Although it goes into greater detail that is the basic concept and how it relates to this - well we were talking about that 30% of our universe and not the other 70% which is made of energy.

An atom/particle/electron is an example of what?

The one element that makes up the 30% of the universe. There is one element for all and what it is I don't know but I am guessing electrons.

Again : You cannot ever draw a perfect circle using a software
because they are all made up by pixels, and Pixels are rectangles.

Also realize that there might never be a perfect circle.

But if you print it out with a huge dpi (dots per inch) then it is a perfect circle. This is because the ink is 3d.

Well electrons are charges of electricity aren't they? So wouldn't there be another substance which would make up everything around us. Now that I think about it, it would be electrons that make up 70% of the universe but not the other 30% we are talking about. Although I have limited knowledge in this area I do know a few basic things. And an atom was an example. I could have just as easily said a particle. But you get the general idea.

This is maths, you dont talk about atoms, thats in science. You are trying to mix the two where they should not be mixed. No matter how darn small a circle is it never made up by a countable number of points. Ever. This is maths... If you actually read my last link you would have learnt something.

Maybe you should take up a physics degree... One of the basics is there is a thing called a periodic table and you have just denied that be denying the science of atoms. Another thing. To understand maths we need to understand science. Maths and science are directly related and when combined can be called Physics. Obviously you and many others don't understand the science behind making a circle so that is why we are stuck with pi. I wonder how many people in this world agree with me about that previous sentence because I'm guessing there isn't that many.