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Homework or self-study, it comes down to the same thing - if someone can't show that they have put any effort in solving the problem then they shouldn't expect someone here to just hand them a solution.

You didn't read the rules quite right. We do help with homework problems, but only if the poster shows some effort. We also try to give hints on solving the problem rather them handing out some complete working code. This way the poster might actually learn something from their assignment (aside from how to use ctrl-c ctrl-v). I think it was something like:
"Driving someone somewhere is one thing, but telling them to get a damn drivers license of their own is another"

Homework and selfstudy can be completely different things. Often, people just want to get homework done. Their aim is not to learn the material or even do it well. It's just to complete it so it's satisfactory for whoever checks it.

Selfstudy is trying to learn something yourself for the sake of learning it or to pass an exam. And to pass an exam you need to learn the material. See where I am going?

Also, I wasn't talking about the rules. I was talking about people's attitudes to questions being posted. I think a lot of the posts here are to do with homework but for the ones that are not; I would say they want to understand what, where and how rather than being given a solution or hints that they can't use because they don't have the understanding to use them.

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>Homework and selfstudy can be completely different things.
In this case, "homework" means a personal project that you have a vested interest in completing, and we don't care about. It could be actual homework from a class, self-study from a textbook, or even something you imagined up. Regardless of how you got started with the project, if you show no effort, you get no help. I fail to see how this is a difficult concept.

>I would say they want to understand what, where and how
We call it like we see it. If you want to understand the nuts and bolts but manage to come off as a leech (usually through poor communication), you'll be treated as a leech until proven otherwise.

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Who said it was a difficult concept? It's not even unique to this community. Look around, you'll see that those "rules" are applied everywhere, not just on the web. I agree with it, naturally. My comment was a reflection on the attitudes of people here and then my second comment was just clearing up what I said because it seemed to be misunderstood.

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>It seems like quite a few people here jump to conclusions that people are looking for homework help.

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>>It seems like quite a few people here jump to conclusions that people are looking for homework help.
Since we're quoting ourselves now:

We call it like we see it.

First and foremost, we're all human (except for Salem, who's a C bot). The lack of psychic abilities means we don't know if J. Random Newbie is just having trouble getting his message across, or if he's out to get freebies from nice people so he can pass his class. Because handouts can be so damaging to new programmers, we err on the side of caution and assume that if it looks like homework, it is homework. Very simple.

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>It seems like quite a few people here jump to conclusions that people are looking for homework help.

Hang around for a few months and see what conclusions you come to on such posts. If you still feel that people are unfairly jumping to conclusions about homework help, feel free to help all those posters as you see fit. Our time spent helping people here is completely voluntary and as such you can choose to help them or not, but your opinion regarding the conclusions others might draw on certain posts has absolutely no bearing on whether anyone else gives their time and effort to a particular request.

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Remember, if you hit a man over the head with a fish, he had a headache for a day. But if you teach a man to hit himself over the head with a fish, he has headaches for the rest of his life.

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Any help you get here follows the same rules. So basically, we consider anything you post here "homework help". Whether or not it is homework really doesn't matter - we're here to help people learn, and we're here to give advice that will help people complete their work themselves, not complete it for them. (Occasionally you'll be so close to the right answer that it'll be given to you, or you clearly made effort so someone will throw you a bone if it is a small piece of code, but in general, don't expect code solutions, expect advice and guidance).

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