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Very interesting.. It might be neat to meet this guy, and see what he has to say. I can't understand why an atheist would convert.. unless he/she was old, and close to death..

Yeah, he's a really good man who doesn't beat you with the Bible.

lol...age makes you religious! That gives me an idea. Can you ask this guy why he became a christian? I have never heard of a atheist converting to a religion...

I've heard of many atheists converting... (not as teenagers, but usually as adults..). I'm not really clear about why he became a Christian.

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I've seen it before. I've seen people fall to their knees crying because they found Jesus. It's really something to see.

Yes, I've witnessed that so many times. It's a truly wonderful thing, they find they're purpose, they find hope, they find peace for the first time. And all the while, Heaven's angels are rejoicing.

You speak of eternal damnation a lot and what a lot of people don't realize (again not trying to convert) is that it's something that's very easy to escape.

Exactly.
My pastor always uses the 'better safe than sorry' statement.
Basically, he talks about how he would rather believe in Jesus either way, whether it is true or whether it is a lie. Because if you think about it... you're safe! If you die and you're right, you go to Heaven. If you die and you were wrong, oh well at least you're not going to spend an eternity in Hell. That's why so many people convert right before they die -- They don't want to take that chance.

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I agree completely.
Good post
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>> I scored 1310 on the SATs and am planning for perfect next year.
So now your arguement is that you're better at doing exams than us so you've gotta be right :) Only kidding.

>> Do you believe that all other religions are wrong except yours?
Honestly, I don't think it's really a good idea to judge that kind of thing when you yourself don't believe in God. I can't think of a good reason for this statement, but once I do I'll post it. Not a reason, reasoning. Or an analogy explaining it. Suppose you believe in God (as per the Bible), then you believe he is all powerful, knowing and forgiving. If he is all powerful why would you even consider following another one?

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You wouldn't. But I do not see what makes Christianity right and Islam, Buddhism, paganism, wrong. Of course there is major differences but they all seem pretty much the same....

Oh and sorry about all my hell questions....but I have one more. Are you saying that before Christianity was founded, everyone on earth had been going to hell for thousands of years?

So now your arguement is that you're better at doing exams than us so you've gotta be right

No I am not. I am just saying that I do not deserve to be treated as a 14 year old. Whenever I tell people I am 14 they usaully make some completelly idotic teenager remark. I find it insulting that I am stereotyped with the rest of 14 year olds in America. I just wanted to distince myself from the average teenager and that I do not deserve to be treated as one.

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I find it insulting that I am stereotyped with the rest of 14 year olds in America. I just wanted to distince myself from the average teenager and that I do not deserve to be treated as one.

What's next, you won't want people to treat you like a human?

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>> Are you saying that before Christianity was founded, everyone on earth had been going to hell for thousands of years?

BC/AC. Old/New Testament. Old laws, new laws. Old ways, new ways. Old roads, new roads. Etc.

Before Jesus' death (according to the Bible), the laws of Moses as given by God (ie the ten commandments), were the rules one had to abide by to get to Heaven. To 'pay' for your sins (to have them forgiven), you you had to sacrifice lambs, doves without defect etc according to the sin you committed as dictated by the laws and through the priests of the time. Jesus is known as the Lamb of God. ie when he died he God's sacrifice to humanity to save them from death and hell. By his death all sins are forgiven.

So no. If people (in BC times), abided by the laws as they were then (ten commands and sacrifices etc), they could get to heaven. That is why things changed. Jesus' death was the ultimate sacrifice. He was (metaphorically), the perfect lamb. Without blemish. Without sin. He died for us and all our sins (for those who trust in him rather), so that we don't have to.

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No I don't. Treat me as an intelligent being. (something that most humans are not)

See, it's immature statements like that that make me treat you like a thirteen-year-old.

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Oh well, at least Rashakil's intelligent.
Hey, it ain't my fault that everyone hates you =)
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>> Are you saying that before Christianity was founded, everyone on earth had been going to hell for thousands of years?

BC/AC. Old/New Testament. Old laws, new laws. Old ways, new ways. Old roads, new roads. Etc.

Before Jesus' death (according to the Bible), the laws of Moses as given by God (ie the ten commandments), were the rules one had to abide by to get to Heaven. To 'pay' for your sins (to have them forgiven), you you had to sacrifice lambs, doves without defect etc according to the sin you committed as dictated by the laws and through the priests of the time. Jesus is known as the Lamb of God. ie when he died he God's sacrifice to humanity to save them from death and hell. By his death all sins are forgiven.

So no. If people (in BC times), abided by the laws as they were then (ten commands and sacrifices etc), they could get to heaven. That is why things changed. Jesus' death was the ultimate sacrifice. He was (metaphorically), the perfect lamb. Without blemish. Without sin. He died for us and all our sins (for those who trust in him rather), so that we don't have to.

Actually, that is incorrect.. Prior to the death of Jesus, everyone who died and was fit to enter heaven could not (because of original sin).. So, they all resided in purgatory until Jesus died and opened the gates of heaven.. Or so, that is what I was taught the Christians believe..

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You fools. If only you knew the world was created 30 seconds ago. And I have knowledge that this is true. Sure, you can't prove that the Universe existed more than 30 seconds ago. But I don't need proof. Instead, I have not-proof. Not-proof is good enough for me. I don't need those leftist intellectualists to tell me what to think. I believe in the new time religion; it's good enough for me. Than those so-called "intellectuals," I think I am smarter besides. So if anything, that makes them stupiddectuals.

And its the word stupiddectuals and your entire post that makes ME treat YOU like a retard.

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>> Are you saying that before Christianity was founded, everyone on earth had been going to hell for thousands of years?

BC/AC. Old/New Testament. Old laws, new laws. Old ways, new ways. Old roads, new roads. Etc.

Before Jesus' death (according to the Bible), the laws of Moses as given by God (ie the ten commandments), were the rules one had to abide by to get to Heaven. To 'pay' for your sins (to have them forgiven), you you had to sacrifice lambs, doves without defect etc according to the sin you committed as dictated by the laws and through the priests of the time. Jesus is known as the Lamb of God. ie when he died he God's sacrifice to humanity to save them from death and hell. By his death all sins are forgiven.

So no. If people (in BC times), abided by the laws as they were then (ten commands and sacrifices etc), they could get to heaven. That is why things changed. Jesus' death was the ultimate sacrifice. He was (metaphorically), the perfect lamb. Without blemish. Without sin. He died for us and all our sins (for those who trust in him rather), so that we don't have to.

That is what I was always taught too.

Actually, that is incorrect.. Prior to the death of Jesus, everyone who died and was fit to enter heaven could not (because of original sin).. So, they all resided in purgatory until Jesus died and opened the gates of heaven.. Or so, that is what I was taught the Christians believe..

I have also heard parts of this theory. Which I'm not sure if I believe in, because what would be the purpose of sacrificing a lamb to "wash" away your sins?

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That is what I was always taught too.

I have also heard parts of this theory. Which I'm not sure if I believe in, because what would be the purpose of sacrificing a lamb to "wash" away your sins?

Really>? Maybe it's only the Catholics who believe the latter theory..

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I know it's only Catholics who believe in Purgatory. It's kinda frustrating the way different religions of the same "breed" have conflicting views and hence there is possible friction between believers' opinions and beliefs. One could argue that an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent God could know which people from the BC times would make it after the BC/AD transfer and hence why have purgatory ... heh, maybe he can predict things by knowing chemical reactions etc, as per the OP's first thread? Only kidding.

It's unclear in the Bible, so who knows? The question is does it matter in the final scale of things? Just don't time travel people :D

>> I have also heard parts of this theory. Which I'm not sure if I believe in, because what would be the purpose of sacrificing a lamb to "wash" away your sins?
Yeah. It belittles the worth of the act, doesn't it?
I've heard of a "holding" area (I can't remember what it was called though. They're all theories anyways).

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>> Nope. Nothing matters. Life is pointless
I think you misunderstood me.

What I meant was: what difference does it make to us what happened to the BC people? I know some people have questions, and I think we came to a consensus that these BC people (according to the Bible), can 'make it' to heaven. So ... while it's an interesting topic for discussion (to some), ... does it make a difference? Get me? I do not think life is pointless. You should seek a meaning.

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Posted by JoshSHC: Haha.. yea, I'm the only conservative atheist that I know of. I'm really more fiscally republican and socially democratic.. There are things I like from both parties, and I tend to just vote for people whom I like regardless of party affiliation. I think things are good the way they are.. There are many Christians, but thats good for us atheists.


I think the libertarians are like that. They are socially liberal and economically convervative.

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I think the libertarians are like that. They are socially liberal and economically convervative.

The libertarians are extreme liberals though.. almost to the point of anarchists.. I'm not that liberal.

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>> nihilism

Ha. I've always like that word (it sounds like my name :) which is funny as my name doesn't sound like it's spelt ... cruel and unusual punishment). I just wanted to be sure my views weren't corrupted by nihilists :)

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lol.. I wouldn't use the word corrupted. Nihilists offer the only truth to everything.. The truth of existentialism, and the fact that.. in the end, nothing truly matters.

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Well, they believe in a lot more economic permissiveness than traditional liberals/democrats. And there are different levels of it. Libertarian to its extreme is anarchy just as socialism to its extreme is communism. I am by no means a communist, but just a socialist (really on the border of socialist/democrat but a bit more socialist). Adam Sandler claims to be a libertarian I think. There's something I'll show you about it. I'll post it in a new thread. Hold on.

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>> I wouldn't use the word corrupted.

I've been known to use poetic license copiously when describing things :) But things that are different from one another are not the same (I know it sounds like a self evident truth). Meh. I know you were kidding.


>>Nihilists offer the only truth to everything
"Nihilism is a doctrine stating that no objects have an intrinsic characteristic of truth. Therefore everything that we perceive to be true can only be mere individual or social constructions, or the meanings that we attach to them. Therefore nihilism views the world as a social construct with no objective truth. "

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