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I suggest that you actually READ the Bible with an open mind before you condemn it.

You would be talking to whom?

You make an assumption that because one condemns the bible, or more precisely, does not take it to heart and is willing to say why, they have not read it?

Perhaps YOU should ASK before assuming one has not read it?

One only has to listen to those who have read it, and evaluate what they get from it to know whether they want to "go there" .. I don't have to go to prison to know I don't want to.

I cannot see that religion (the bible) is any more than a crutch for those who cannot face the unknown without help. Well, maybe it's also part of a pattern of how one handles personal responsibility.

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Well, maybe it's also part of a pattern of how one handles personal responsibility.

Expand please. Are you saying that those who hold to the Bible are among those who handle personal responsibility well, or among those who handle personal responsibility poorly?

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I'm saying, in a gross oversimplification, that they (some of them) (essentially) "hand off" responsibility to God.

"It Is Gods Will" is an easier position to take than, "Damn, look at the mess I've made of things."

Asking God to help at any given turn, while acknowledging one's limitations, puts the responsibility for success (or failure, or ones situation in total) in Gods hands.

This has far reaching implications in my opinion. It does not teach people to look deeply into themselves and to know the depths of their being.

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I'm saying, in a gross oversimplification, that they (some of them) (essentially) "hand off" responsibility to God.

"It Is Gods Will" is an easier position to take than, "Damn, look at the mess I've made of things."

Asking God to help at any given turn, while acknowledging one's limitations, puts the responsibility for success (or failure, or ones situation in total) in Gods hands.

This has far reaching implications in my opinion. It does not teach people to look deeply into themselves and to know the depths of their being.

I'm sorry, I didn't re-read all of this thread, but that sounds like a simpleton trying to "dumb things down".

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I'm sorry, I didn't re-read all of this thread, but that sounds like a simpleton trying to "dumb things down".

There we go again, calling posters stupid! I though we had to keep things pleasant as a forum rule.

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I'm sorry, I didn't re-read all of this thread, but that sounds like a simpleton trying to "dumb things down".

Dave, exactly "what" - "sounds" "like a simpleton trying to "dumb things down""?

The word, "that" does not give a clue as to what you are taking exception to. If you have a point of view that contrasts, it would be nice to hear it, instead of a vague insult.

If indeed you are referring to my post, all I can see is that you have taken exception in a passing moment. There is ample reference to the depth from which I make my statement. If you don't see it, perhaps it's because you don't want to.

There's nothing simple in the time I've spent pursuing my knowlege, opinions and philosophy. I'm ready to back up my position; to go the full distance. Are you willing to do so, or is this just another vague, unsupported insult tossed at someone saying something you don't want to hear?

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I think we are missing financial institutions as a group of typically dishonest folks. Particularly credit card companies and payday loan offices with their well concealed fee structures.

I just read that Arizona now has more "payday loan offices" than Starbucks. Now that is hard to beat. Payday loan places will give you money ahead of your paycheck with a whopping 36% interest rate and many hidden fees that easily double this to 72%. Talk about loan sharking!

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I think we are missing financial institutions as a group of typically dishonest folks. Particularly credit card companies and payday loan offices with their well concealed fee structures.

I just read that Arizona now has more "payday loan offices" than Starbucks. Now that is hard to beat. Payday loan places will give you money ahead of your paycheck with a whopping 36% interest rate and many hidden fees that easily double this to 72%. Talk about loan sharking!

Judging from the huge amount off money lost by banks because of deliberate and organized mortgage application fraud, I agree that loan institutions are right up there with the politicians.

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