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For some reason, various chatter I've seen today has reminded me of this.

Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth; socialism is the equal distribution of poverty.

Or what seems to be a more proper attribution.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.

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Isn't voting supposed to be anonymous? :P

Where's the fun in that?

I didn't see them listed right off, nor did I vote right away (as is my usual tack on any poll I post), but I do find it much more interesting being public.

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Call me young and foolish, but I really like Barack Obama, even though he is called a baby murderer because of his stance on abortion. Wonder if this country will ever get past single silly issues.

Murder is not a silly issue.

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It is a silly issue because it is legal to get an abortion. So it is not murder becasue that would be a crime.

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It is a silly issue because it is legal to get an abortion. So it is not murder becasue that would be a crime.

Would you be in favor of infanticide (killing a child after they've been born, albeit within a specific range of time) if that were legal according to American Law?

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No I would not be in favor of that, abortion at an early stage in pregnancy is fine.

So exactly when, in your eyes, does the fetus jump from 'non-living' to 'living' and the transition between 'fine' and 'not fine' occur? That seems to be what you're implying here, although I acknowledge that I may be inferring a bit of that.

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So exactly when, in your eyes, does the fetus jump from 'non-living' to 'living' and the transition between 'fine' and 'not fine' occur? That seems to be what you're implying here, although I acknowledge that I may be inferring a bit of that.

About month 2-3 of pregnancy would be the answer you were looking for however I believe it is living the whole time but you can't miss what you have never known.

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So exactly when, in your eyes, does the fetus jump from 'non-living' to 'living' and the transition between 'fine' and 'not fine' occur? That seems to be what you're implying here, although I acknowledge that I may be inferring a bit of that.

A woman's egg or a man's semen are living things too, but they are flushed down the drain by the billions every day. Does that mean we are all murderers?

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yes i agree with Ene Uran

Its not an embryo until week 3. Until then it is a mass of cells, much like the sperms or eggs we throw away every day. It has no organs like we do and is not sentinent. It is still a part of the womans body essentially until many weeks later.

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There are thousands of miscarriages every day. In most case the fetus is flushed down the toilet and does not receive proper burial. Should the woman involved be investigated by the police for potential murder?

Also, should the fetus be a tax deduction?

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Its not an embryo until week 3. Until then it is a mass of cells, much like the sperms or eggs we throw away every day. It has no organs like we do and is not sentinent. It is still a part of the womans body essentially until many weeks later.

Out of curiousity, what is the "magic" that occurs between 20d23h59m59s and 21d00h00h00s?

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that's the moment some lawyer decided upon. So the magic that happens is a fat salary for some bureaucrat ;)

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So exactly when, in your eyes, does the fetus jump from 'non-living' to 'living' and the transition between 'fine' and 'not fine' occur? That seems to be what you're implying here, although I acknowledge that I may be inferring a bit of that.

'non-living' to 'living' is not the question. There are many things 'living' which are O.K. to kill. Animals, vegetables, fungi...

If you ask me, the transition is at some landmark in the development of the brain.

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There are thousands of miscarriages every day. In most case the fetus is flushed down the toilet and does not receive proper burial. Should the woman involved be investigated by the police for potential murder?

Also, should the fetus be a tax deduction?

In general, miscarriage is a non-intended event. If something triggers it, then maybe whoever did so could be held for accidental manslaughter?

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OK, so we should launch a police investigation into every miscarriage to determine whether it was intentional or not, and if intentional whether it should be classed as murder or abortion under the law?

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abortion without following the law (doing it yourself or getting a "backstreet" one) will earn you time in prison.

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So. Clinton got the winnings in her primary battle ... Anyone see this coming? She puts it to her tears... or near tears, I hear.

Also, what's the difference between caucus' and primaries? Nobody over here seems to know (least not anyone I've asked). The gist is that a caucus is where a party decides on people and primaries are when the people decide who to put forth?

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You really have to wait till some of the bigger states like California, Texas or New York come into play. Now you are talking convention delegates. Sorry, but Iowa and New Hampshire have really insignificant populations.

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There are lots of Geeks in California, so Ron Paul and Barack Obama should get a boost.

Those are the two candidates that don't steward "Politics as Usual".

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So. Clinton got the winnings in her primary battle ... Anyone see this coming? She puts it to her tears... or near tears, I hear.

Do you get Rush Limbaugh radio broadcast where you live?

Also, what's the difference between caucus' and primaries? Nobody over here seems to know (least not anyone I've asked). The gist is that a caucus is where a party decides on people and primaries are when the people decide who to put forth?

A caucus is sort of like a town meeting that votes together and in public for the candidate of their choice. The all sit in a big room, discuss the issues, then raise their hands to vote. In a primary everyone goes into a private booth to vote. The National Conventions is a large meeting of all the states representatives who will vote for their political party's candidate. Each state is committed to voting for the winner of that state's primary (or caucus) election. If no one person gets a majority of the votes at the Convention then the individual state representatives are free to vote however they wish and the voting continues until a winner is chosen.

See the links in post #11 to this thread for more details (if you really want to get into it that deep)

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Thanks for the explanation, and I read the wiki site before asking the question... it confused me a bit.
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what does every one here think about romney? would any one vote for him if he was the elected party candidate?

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He's a face that will say anything he thinks will get him into the White House. Fish out of water flop around less.

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He's a face that will say anything he thinks will get him into the White House. Fish out of water flop around less.

Romney isn't the only one, but you hit the hammer right on the nail! He is sort of the opposite of Ron Paul. It looks like someone in the middle of those two will emerge as the party winner.

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Considering what we have in the White House now, I like to see a candidate that can say, "I made a mistake, I will do better next."

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John Edwards said that becasue he originally voted for the war in Iraq and now sees that as a mistake.

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>John Edwards said that becasue he originally voted for the war in Iraq and now sees that as a mistake.

The only reason he said that is to get the popular vote. Most people are against the war, and that's why the candidates have to sympathize with them if they want to be popular.

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