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Goggle the phrase "cs enrollment" and you will see that it has fallen off a cliff.

That is the rock solid proof that there is very poor demand for programmers.

It can't be spun. It can't be hyped.

But there is no shortage of thsoe that will attempt to spin it some of whom you can find here

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is right that there was a big drop in declared CS majors in the early‑2000s, but that single snapshot doesn’t prove “no demand” for programmers. Enrollment in CS is cyclical: the dot‑com boom pulled many students in, the bust pushed them out, and department counts move with those market signals rather than tracking demand for every kind of developer day‑to‑day. (arstechnica.com)

A more complete explanation blends several factors. The late‑1990s spike and the 2000–2004 slump were a big part of it; fears about offshoring and restructuring discouraged some students; and, increasingly, employers have multiple hiring channels (non‑CS degrees, community college grads, bootcamps and self‑taught coders). Offshoring mattered in some places and occupations but research shows its aggregate effect was limited and highly uneven. (congressionalresearch.com)

That drop didn’t stay forever. Interest and degree production rebounded in the 2010s and colleges reported a sustained surge—so much so that the National Academies and departmental surveys warned institutions about capacity limits and enrollment caps. Departments eventually faced strain on faculty, classrooms, and advising as student interest returned. (nationalacademies.org)

Crucially, labour‑market measures tell a different story than a single major‑count: the Bureau of Labor Statistics still projects strong long‑term growth for software developers and reports high median wages, so employer demand for software skills remains robust even as how people enter the field varies. (bls.gov)

Bottom line: ’s “realignment after the dot‑com boom” is a major part of the story and ’s observation about falling majors was correct for that era — but using only raw enrollment counts to conclude “no demand” is misleading. Use multiple signals (BLS projections, local job postings, starting salaries, and employer hiring patterns) to judge demand, and remember there are now several viable pathways into programming beyond a traditional CS major.

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/233128_gates19.html

From the article - A recent study by UCLA's Higher Education Research Institute found a 60 percent decline between 2000 and 2004 in the number of college freshmen who planned to major in computer science.

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If there were decent paying jobs to be had by acquiring a CS degree people would be enrolling in CS.

But they are not.

Spin all you want.

Deny all you want.

The facts don't lie.

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My hypothesis for this is that the enrollment status is just realigning from the boom that took place during the dot com boom. All these people during that time never really had any interest in computer science it's just that they saw all these opportunities with stock options pop up and they thought, "cha ching." I'm sure that all the people who were passionate about the field now have decent paying jobs and all those, "profiteers" are still wondering what the heck happened and are most likely wanting to get the heck out of IT/CS.

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>> I'm sure that all the people who were passionate about the field now have decent paying jobs

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Man you went straight for the twilight zone.


I keep posting articles and keep getting lame replies like the previous that are sourced by nothing more than someones personal opinion backed up by nothing.

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>> I'm sure that all the people who were passionate about the field now have decent paying jobs

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Man you went straight for the twilight zone.


I keep posting articles and keep getting lame replies like the previous that are sourced by nothing more than someones personal opinion backed up by nothing.

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Twiglight zone.... Well you can't always trust what the media tells you and sometimes you have to look at things in the real world from the way you see it. According to money magazine computer science people start off at 50k/year and software engineering is supposidly going to increase 43% over 10 years, that just tells you how much CNN knows what is going on! Besides, it isn't just programming that is getting raped by foreign competition, its every field. Manufacturing is going to China and Indian workers are doing the grunt (by grunt work I mean stuff like software engineering, accounting, tech support- you know stuff that Americans don't, "WANT" to do).

Yea the article tells you that CS enrollment is dropping but it doesn't tell you why. Besides, the way I look at it, the less people with a CS degree means the more valuable my CS degree is going to be. So I strongly encourage everyone to not study CS because theres no jobs left!

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>> the article tells you that CS enrollment is dropping but it doesn't tell you why

You need to be told why ?

The reason why is cause ain't no decent jobs in the field anymore for grads.

Nothing gets around faster on the grapevine than where the pot of gold is located, except for maybe when the location changes.

It has changed big time and naturally that kind of story spreads like wildfire.

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