java newbie

[pixeltrace]

guys,i am just a java newbie and i am really interested in studying this.i am currently using java development kit 5 and i am working on the exercises in sam java 24 hours.http://www.samspublishing.com/library/content.asp?b=STY_Java2_24hours&seqNum=29i cant get to compile Saluton.javabecause when i am trying to typejavac Saluton.java in the ms-dos commandlineits giving me 'javac' is not recognized.....how can i solve this one?also, where can i find online tutorials for dummies like me in java?hope you could help me with this.your help will be very much appreciated.thanks!

My advice would be to download something like netbeans, so you can can type your program in the editor and then press a nice shiny button to get it to compile and run. It's fool proof.

[jwenting]

Using an IDE will never teach him to install and configure his environment properly.
It's a workaround rather than a solution.

Download the JDK from http://java.sun.com and READ and follow the installation and configuration instructions.
They're quite good, the only reasonably intelligent people who have trouble are those who don't follow them.

>Download the JDK from http://java.sun.com and READ and follow the installation and configuration instructions.

Ah but you see that is based on the assumption reasonably intelligent people take up programming. We all know that's a lie.

Go with netbeans, and worry about the command line stuff later. Nice shiny buttons...one click away...you can't go wrong.

[jwenting]

So you're assuming the OP isn't reasonably intelligent yet can make a decent contribution to the industry if only he uses netbeans...

In fact if your first assumption is correct and he follows your advice soon he will be back asking how to run a Java program on another computer, which is the usual next question from such people (unless it's a post of a homework assignment by simply pasting the entire assignment text into a message with a topic description like "urgent doubt needed asap plz").

>So you're assuming the OP isn't reasonably intelligent

Yes that's exactly my point. But not only the OP. Also just about every other java newbie. They want a quick fix solution, so I'm telling them what it is...

When you're new to something you just want it to work, with little fuss as possible. You can worry about the command line stuff later. Not a problem.

Again this is a matter of opinion. You may disagree, and you are entitled to do so. But like I said you can always learn the command line stuff later and how to set up the environment variables for your OS.

[jwenting]

If they don't want to learn, I don't want them to succeed because if they succeed without learning they become a burden on whomever they end up working with in the future (which may just be me...).

... they become a burden on whomever they end up working with in the future (which may just be me...).

It sounds as if you need to change the way you recruite ppl at your work. But I hear they hire all sort of dummies these days, so it wouldn't surprise me?

:eek:

btw that interview with B.S is somewhat surreal... I still can't believe it, ha!

[jwenting]

I've little influence over the hiring process...

And if outsourcing to another company that hires anyone who knows how to spell the word "kompjuter" there's even less you can do except try to limit the fallout.