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Member Avatar for Sturm

Its interesting. I think they should just change Austrian law so animals can receive donations.

Member Avatar for Infarction

I agree with the guy who thinks it's absurd. It is. Chimps are not humans.

Member Avatar for 'Stein

Correct. While I agree it's absurd, they're about 99% identical, DNA-wise. :icon_biggrin:

Member Avatar for Sturm

well why not just change austrian law?

Member Avatar for 'Stein

well why not just change austrian law?

Offhand, I think it would lead to a slippery-slope as to what's protected by law, and what isn't.

If Chimps can be called 'human,' legally, what would prevent Rhesus monkeys from not?

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And then once the Great Apes are (hypothetically, of course) given legal status, what's the precedent? The current precedent is H. Sapien. Would we change the legal status to Homininae?

How about use-of tools? Would that determine what deserves legal status? Well even house-finches (birds) have been observed using tools.

Member Avatar for Infarction

Correct. While I agree it's absurd, they're about 99% identical, DNA-wise. :icon_biggrin:

How many other species are very similar DNA-wise? I never really took interest in that, but aren't a good bunch of things really pretty similar? Also, what is the average difference between humans? If we're identical to, say, 7 decimal points (99.99999%, don't you think 2 decimal points (99%) is quite removed? Again, I have very little idea of how similar DNAs are...

Member Avatar for jwenting

we got nutter here (closely linked to PETA, ALF, and other ecoterrorist groups) who go a step further. They want all animals to have the same "rights" as humans, a total ban on pet ownership (which they call slavery), everyone forcibly turned into a strict vegan (killing animals is murder in their book), etc.
What's worse, they've got 10 seats in parliament...

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we got nutter here (closely linked to PETA, ALF, and other ecoterrorist groups) who go a step further. They want all animals to have the same "rights" as humans, a total ban on pet ownership (which they call slavery), everyone forcibly turned into a strict vegan (killing animals is murder in their book), etc.
What's worse, they've got 10 seats in parliament...

Wow :icon_eek: I hope they didn't get elected based on that as their platform...

Member Avatar for Ancient Dragon

Now tell me -- how far-fetched is the Planet of the Apes ?

commented: Too right! +9
Member Avatar for Rashakil Fol

The only way to stop animal cruelty is animal extinction.

Anyway, the line of ethics is going to get pretty trippy in the next century.

Member Avatar for 'Stein

How many other species are very similar DNA-wise? I never really took interest in that, but aren't a good bunch of things really pretty similar? Also, what is the average difference between humans? If we're identical to, say, 7 decimal points (99.99999%, don't you think 2 decimal points (99%) is quite removed? Again, I have very little idea of how similar DNAs are...

It's not as much as you think--we're only 13% similar to common yeast, and yeast is considered an animal, so bacterae and plantae are less then that.

Member Avatar for jbennet

yeast is a fungus not an animal

Member Avatar for 'Stein

The Fungi Kingdon is part of the Eukaryotic Domain...(which to most of the other people here means animal).

Member Avatar for Rashakil Fol

Um, plants are too. Are plants animals? No.

Neither are fungi. Animals are in the kingdom Animalia.

Member Avatar for Ancient Dragon

Good heavens I'm glad I didn't study biology -- ain't ignorance bliss ;) I'm not going to read this thread any more -- I might just learn something new.

Member Avatar for 'Stein

Um, plants are too. Are plants animals? No.

Neither are fungi. Animals are in the kingdom Animalia.

:icon_mrgreen: Wow, I really duffed that..

Member Avatar for jbennet

yes, i am correct. I study biology and i have to coursework about yeast and it states in the brief that "yeast is a single celled fungus". You are correct in that it is eukaryotic but that does not make it an animal.

Member Avatar for christina>you

Agreed, I'm positive that fungi are not animals.

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Right. I'll say it again, I completley duffed that.

Member Avatar for christina>you

Duffed?
(sorry, I'm not clear on the definition).

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Duffed?
(sorry, I'm not clear on the definition).

As in, completely screwed that up.

Member Avatar for WaltP

I'm a funguy.... But I'm not really an animal. I'm better behaved.

I find it sad that new laws have to be passed because somehow stupid laws have been passed in the past (I like that sentence -- it alliterativy) and people by law can't do something reasonable.

commented: Funguy, eh? Cute. +10
commented: You always make me laugh with your sense of humor. +1
Member Avatar for christina>you

As in, completely screwed that up.

I see. ;)

Member Avatar for jbennet

"up the duff" can also mean pregnant by the way

Member Avatar for w_3rabi

Agreed, I'm positive that fungi are not animals.

ok ...
so the fungi is .............. ?

Member Avatar for jbennet

a dungi is a fungi, its a proper category.

there are

viri
fungi
bacterium
animals

Member Avatar for christina>you

ok ...
so the fungi is .............. ?

Exactly what jbennet said.

Member Avatar for jbennet

a dungi is a fungi

lol i should really preview what i write before hitting post ;)

Member Avatar for MidiMagic

If the chimps want special rights, let them compose and submit their own writs to the judges.

commented: Excellent Logic. +1
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