Mel_4 0 Newbie Poster

Cool Beans!

Tcll 66 Posting Whiz in Training Featured Poster

whoever downvoted me needs some personal experience.
I have 10 dead or RAW HDDs and 5 HDDs with recovered files corrupted by the NTFS filesystem.
(the dead ones died from overheating because of NTFS abuse to the HDD)

I'm using EXT4 with linux and my HDDs don't even get warm.

NTFS is bad!
Microsoft even admitted NTFS was a nightmare of a filesystem.
I don't have the reference off-hand...

EDIT: I still have yet to recover my 500GB which went RAW because I used compressed NTFS.
chkdsk ran on it and made 300GB of files into 0B of files:
^this is what NTFS does to your HDDs people >:/

I have so much history behind HDDs corrupted by NTFS, don't try to tell my experience off.

Palebushman 8 Bush IT Poster

Tcll wrote "don't use compressed NTFS
the file system alone corrupts your HDD, making it compressed makes the chance even higher."

No idea who downvoted your post Tcll, but don't let it upset you. Everyone thinks differently, it's what makes life interesting ;-)

But getting back to your comment that aroused the negative click, what do you think about the content of this link:-
Those guys seem pretty convinced NTFS is wonderful.

Tcll commented: thank you :) +4
AKsarben 6 Light Poster

Mel 4, This link: Gives also some additional info, worth a read. WARNING ! Install older OS first and have it running then install newer OS. Reason is the newer OS will use a different form of booting other than MBR, called GPT. MBR can only recogize and configure a drive of just a shade over 2 Terabytes (2,000 GB), but the GUID Partition table (GPT) can format a hard drive of 9.4 Zeta-Bytes That's 9.4*10²¹ bytes

AKsarben 6 Light Poster

You don't want to make your system inoperable by installing, say Windows 8.1 and then XP as that won't work. However, a clean install with XP and then after up and running install a newer OS into some large enough partition and you should be good to go. BTW, the entier WWW is said to be about 0.5 Zetabytes big, so this new drive partitioning give you lot of time before it will be surpassed.

JenniferArden 4 Jennifer

I have always used NTFS (uncompressed) and never had any problems, no corruption or over heating :)

XP78USER 30 Posting Whiz in Training

is xp compatible for high end systems??

JenniferArden 4 Jennifer

I think so, I have installed XP on a few modern PC's, the important things are: new AHCI driver need to be integrated into XP installation disc and XP driver availability for components need to be determined prior to installing XP

Tcll 66 Posting Whiz in Training Featured Poster

But getting back to your comment that aroused the negative click, what do you think about the content of this link:-
Those guys seem pretty convinced NTFS is wonderful.

looks like they're going ga-ga over the features NTFS offers.
heck even I have to agree NTFS has a really sweet sugar coating. :)

but hey, I'm not saying don't use it at all ;)
NTFS is practically a requirement by all Win OS's and can hold very lage files.
I'm just saying your chances of FS corruption are farely low when using uncompressed NTFS ;)
I know Win supports ext3, which I highly recommend over NTFS, but I think you have to have windows installed to be able to use it >.>

I'll post the reference when I find it <_<

EDIT: here we are:

XP78USER 30 Posting Whiz in Training

dows it work wth the latest amd cor 6300 FM

lettuce.shark 0 Newbie Poster

Ok. then put windows <insert any other version above xp here> in a computer with 6 years that still runs and surfs the web for the most basic things.

any other version of windows or distro from linux (which I love) will just eat every little resource the computer has because nowdays memory is a small issue.
so the best option is to use a OS with about the same age if I want it to have some user friendly utilization other than LAN file server (for that there is freebsd).

while old machines don't die from hardware "natural causes", there will always be some old machines running some very old OS.

and in some countries, new hardware is not an option.

AKsarben 6 Light Poster

I won't copy and paste, which is sort of cheating, but I will provide a link to a forum post of an Asian user of XP. Apparently there is a LOT of XP users in China and area and even some major equipment, such as Nuclear power plants in Korea are still running XP. Here is the link:

Tcll 66 Posting Whiz in Training Featured Poster

any other version of windows or distro from linux (which I love) will just eat every little resource the computer has because nowdays memory is a small issue.

I run Xubuntu 14.04 and with everything I've installed, I normally run around 700MB w/o skype or chromium.
(I have tons of BG processes running which are part of that 700)

I've had Xubuntu running around 400MB

chromium eats my RAM like heck with the hightened security and addons I have on it.
skype only eats around 150MB

from what I hear, Win (above XP64) requires at least 1GB just to run

MidiMagic 579 Nearly a Senior Poster

The former employer who contacted me had no idea that their files were no longer readable. They are not computer-literate. Also, when I worked there, MS-DOS upgrades did not cause files to become unreadable. Upgrades to MS-DOS did not change the file structure or whether or not a particular version of swoftware would run (except DBase II, which used trickery to copy-protect files that made copy-protected files look like folders to MS-DOS 3.0). Much scientific research was lost because their MS-DOS files could no longer be read.

Until about 5 months ago, I had a working Windows 3.1 machine. I thought I could repair anything on it. But the battery leaked and ate the copper from the circuit board. I have a version of Lotus that would have worked on that computer, but it failed before they contacted me.

I had no way to convert my music files to a more modern machine before the computer died, because the files were in a proprietary format. I have the files on floppy disks, but no software to read the contents.

I have actually started Windows 3.1 on an XP machine, but I can't run the software because the only kind of disk that works on both XP and Win 3.1 is a 1.44 MB floppy. I can't fit Win 3.1, the music program, and a song file onto the same disk at the same time. Win 3.1 doesn't know how to read a new CD-ROM, a new hard disk, or a flash drive. Also, since the system timing is different, the music can't be played.

We are losing our legacy. I would say that 90% of all computer programs ever written can't be run today, and an equally high percentage of computer files are no longer readable.

JenniferArden 4 Jennifer

That is really very sad, I can understand how you feel. I am not quite in your situation but for me I miss my old DOS games and my ISA SoundBlaster32 card, games like DN3D, Blood and ShadowWarrior was kick ass and the music and sound effects from the SB32 were unequalled. I can get reasonable quality through DosBox but the sound quality isnt the same as through a SB32

AKsarben 6 Light Poster

BTW if you create an extra partition and install Windows 8.1 in there you can also access files and folders in XP, AND if you set it up right, you can designate another drive for things like the "My Documents" folder and also another location for the "Favorites" Then in 8.1 you can merely go to the location where the "Favorites" is located and choose (properties) and then (location) and choose "Move" and choose the drive and folder where you currently have your "Favorites" located for IE in Windows XP. Then whether you are in Windows 8.1 or in XP, if you save any new "Favorites" they will be stored and shared between the two operating system. In other words, I can choose to add this page to favorites and then in my XP, when I boot into it, I can then find the same "favorite" that I saved in the other OS.

Tcll 66 Posting Whiz in Training Featured Poster

@AKsarben: I know you were only using it as an example, but I recommend using MUUUUCH safer browsers such as Comodo Dragon, Chromium, Comodo IceDragon, FF3, or Opera 15+

ActiveX is a horrid interface, and was half-removed in XP64.

lettuce.shark 0 Newbie Poster

@Tcll well, got a pentium at 500mhz with 512mb of ram running xp. its not a good idea (power wise) to have him turned on all day serving files in the lan with some freebsd version, so I rather have him with xp and turn him on once in a while to run old games. other that, I understand your opinion, just think that the common user won't want to change, either by nature, sheer lazyness, or by the reasons Midimagic appointed.

some old software only runs good on old operating systems.
(I am still in emotional recovery from the loss of my IBM PS1 with windows 3.1)

just don't use old systems to surf the web, for everyones sake. =)

AKsarben 6 Light Poster

Well, it's more than just the old system surfing the web, it's the browser, the AV you have installed as well as what sort of firewall you have in place. Asia proably has 50% of their computers still running XP to some extent.

Tcll 66 Posting Whiz in Training Featured Poster

@Tcll well, got a pentium at 500mhz with 512mb of ram running xp.

nice, I got a Celeron 400MHz with 384MB RAM running XP Black :3
for systems like that, I'd recommend Comodo IceDragon for web browsing.

IceDragon is based off FF (the gecko engine), so it's not exactly as safe as Comodo Dragon, but it's still safer than FF3 and other common browsers. :)
(if being built by a security company doesn't say enough about the browser's safety)

IceDragon doesn't use alot of power or RAM, so you can have around 16 tabs or so open w/o choking your compy with data.

Comodo Dragon is based off chromium, so it has added malware protection and a few more safety features, but those features can also be added to IceDragon (except the full malware protection) thanks to add-ons.

don't use IE, it WILL kill your compy, especially with XP x86 versions

rubberman 1,355 Nearly a Posting Virtuoso Featured Poster

Well, XP is a zombie now - we just can't kill it no matter what we try! I have a legal Win7 OEM install disc that I installed on a Linux VM (VirtualBox) - and Microsoft says it is "possibly" a fake (is is not), so I may need to resurrect XP so I can run my scanner and other Windows software without being nagged about this crap!

Anyway, apparently, running an OEM version of Win7 in a virtual machine that is not Microsoft's makes them think it is an illegal copy... Bad Microsoft! I paid over $100 USD to purchase it from a reputable (and MS-certified) dealer! What a load of crap!

Tcll 66 Posting Whiz in Training Featured Poster

and Microsoft says it is "possibly" a fake (is is not)

old news to me :P
happens with any newer kernel, not just 7

XP78USER 30 Posting Whiz in Training

XP is still live and kickin

JenniferArden 4 Jennifer

Im still on XP, mainly x64 but sometimes I start x86 to use my scanner lol

XP78USER 30 Posting Whiz in Training

Well I have made the move to Windows 8 I will still miss XP even though I still use it on my old laptop

AKsarben 6 Light Poster

I have both XP and Windows 8.1 PRO on my desktop computer. I have 3 drives. One drive has backups as well as my "Favorites" folder, another drive has my moved "My Documents" folder. and the main HD, drive 0 is a 1Tb drive that has C:XP\ as well as D: for updates and other things downloaded, as well as F:\Win81 . I created shortcut links in the 8.1 portion to things like My Pictutes, My music, and in the Documents folder I created shortcut links to Adobe, Excel, Word that reside in the "My Documents" folder on drive E: A lot of people do not know that you can literally move all your My Documents stuff out of the C:\ drive to another drive in a simple "move" command and there they will sit and it's in the XP registry the correct path to where you moved them. That way if the C:\ main HD, drive 0 ever failed, all of the stuff in "My Documents" is unaffected as it's on a totally different drive. Same with the "Favorites" folder. It can be moved as well, which now resides in the drive2 G:\Favorties location. WHICH I can share those locations with the Windows 8.1 OS. Each year I clone a new HD for hre drive 0 and keep the old one in a drawer, just in case. Drives are cheap and if I had a failure, all I have to do is replace the drive 0 and I've lost some information, but not all. Even my email is not stored on drive 0 but on drive 2.

JenniferArden 4 Jennifer

Yup I do the same

Tcll 66 Posting Whiz in Training Featured Poster

I still have XP on another 160GB HDD, but NTFS is killing it and it randomly drops power and resets...
it still works, but it's not worth the freezing in the next 5 minutes after booting :P
(it's not the connection or the 200GB laptop HDD I have in it's place would do the same)
^the 160GB does it with any connector I use.

would be nice if XP was fully RAM-based like linux :)

tbh, that HDD's death was the plan to install linux on this machine... heh

AKsarben 6 Light Poster

It's your HD, not NTFS that is killing it. We have NTFS on several macines at the winery all running Windows XP, some PRO and some HOME and have been running them for several years.

Tcll 66 Posting Whiz in Training Featured Poster

It's your HD, not NTFS that is killing it.

mmhmm, and I'm sure it's your computer that gives itself malware and viruses as well, not visiting a bad website.

dude... you're talking to someone who's had over 10 HDDs killed by NTFS.
ever since I started using other filesystems, the HDDs have stopped dieing.

NTFS overworks and heats up your HDDs, I've burnt myself on one before.
with that temp, it's no surprize they're dead.

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