Windows 7 Hope - Page 2

[jbennet]

Ah no, paint and wordpad still come with it :) and solitare :)

P.S the new paitn and wordpad are good, i like how they use the office-2007 style ribbon UI

[mvmalderen]

P.S the new paitn and wordpad are good, i like how they use the office-2007 style ribbon UI

Yes, I find the new design much more likeable :)
But, are they adding new features as well ? (I mean: adding new features to paint and wordpad).

[jbennet]

I dont think so. I mean, paint hasnt changed much. There is onky essentially 5 versions of it, the windows 3.x one, the win95 one, the NT sp3+ one, the vista one, and the win7 one. only two versions actually changed it in a visible way (other versions just included more format support and support for transparency)

And i mean, there isnt much more wordpad needs - its a general text editor, not a programmers one.

[Ene Uran]

On a notebook that you take from class to class, Windows Vista is simply unacceptable since it takes at least five minutes to boot up and just about the same to shut down. I hope Windows 7 offers some drastic improvement. I could care less for silly stuff like Paint, Wordpad, Mediaplayer or Games. Those things are easy to get for free and of better quality from a number of good folks.

[scru]

WIndows 7 does boot up fast, but..

everybody knows that a Mac is the best notebook for class. (Never mind if you can't afford one: what do you think student loans are for?)

[jbennet]

On a notebook that you take from class to class, Windows Vista is simply unacceptable since it takes at least five minutes to boot up and just about the same to shut down. I hope Windows 7 offers some drastic improvement.

Its SUPPOSED to be slow to boot and shut down, it caches your most recently used programs into memory so that its faster when you actually do things on it. Thats why the default option on notebooks under vista is to sleep. if you want to disable this caching, i believe the service is called Superfetch.

[MosaicFuneral]

I dont think so. I mean, paint hasnt changed much. There is onky essentially 5 versions of it, the windows 3.x one

Ah, I loved paint on 3.11 with the ball mouse on an old laptop.

[scru]

Its SUPPOSED to be slow to boot and shut down, it caches your most recently used programs into memory so that its faster when you actually do things on it. Thats why the default option on notebooks under vista is to sleep. if you want to disable this caching, i believe the service is called Superfetch.

No. That's just their excuse for why it is. The default option is sleep in Vista because they needed a quick way to try and hide how abysmally slow it was. And as for the program caching, that would be swell if it actually worked. A 2-3GB Windows 7, Linux or XP system runs faster than an equivalent Windows Vista one.

And really, why would anybody want to use a computer that's supposed to be slow to boot up and shut down?

[jbennet]

why would anybody want to use a computer that's supposed to be slow to boot up and shut down?

Because then its faster to actually use once it is started.

[jephthah]

Because then its faster to actually use once it is started.

i know you sure arent talking about Vista. that OS is a complete dog. i can't say one single good thing about it. i'd rather have XP any day, and i'll choose linux whenever possible just for general principles.

but i do need to give Win 7 a spin. i mean, it can't possibly be any worse

[vegaseat]

Calling the Vista OS a complete dog is an insult to dogs. I would call it bloated blubber. Presumably the MS folks have admitted that by bringing out the leaner Windows 7. Let's hope it will perform.

[kaninelupus]

Maybe because of the fact that the extra time it takes:

• caches processes, reducing CPU loading during actual usage (where speed actaully counts
• VASTLY improves system recoverability in the cases of crashes (actually rare in Vista), or because of power failure.

Personally I'd rather a slighlty slower boot time if it provides liter usage when I'm actually using the system, and if it provides maximum recoverability.

WIndows 7 does boot up fast, but..

everybody knows that a Mac is the best notebook for class. (Never mind if you can't afford one: what do you think student loans are for?)

Ummm... think again buddy-boy. Look to the Alienware notebook range, the Toshiba Qoosimo, and even the higher-end ASUS gaming notebooks (although as an ASUS owner myself. am STILL a little confused as to what the hell ASUS is up to, although the Lamborghini VX5 definately proves a point)... yes they make even the Mac prece-tag look cheap, but does b1tch-slap the "best notebook for class" idea. Add to that the many mid-range media notebooks and gaming notebooks on the market which also outpace that Macbook Pro, and is a rather useless claim.

[Ene Uran]

The reality is that most students will use a Windows OS notebook because the games they buy work on Windows only. Now students in computer science, engineering and medical sciences, that are used to writing their own programs, are more inclined to use Linux.

[MosaicFuneral]

Personally I'd rather a slighlty slower boot time if it provides liter usage when I'm actually using the system, and if it provides maximum recoverability.

lol Liter usage.

[jephthah]

"Down With Metric"

[Hiroshe]

"Down With Metric"

Living in Canada, we have to use both imperial and metric! I prefer metric (it make more sence) but some things you have to use imperial, like your hight. Some things you can use both imperial or metric, like long distances. :confused:

[kaninelupus]

lol Liter usage.

Hey, in the wee hours of the morning, nothing wrong with short-handing :)

[scru]

Maybe because of the fact that the extra time it takes:

• caches processes, reducing CPU loading during actual usage (where speed actaully counts
• VASTLY improves system recoverability in the cases of crashes (actually rare in Vista), or because of power failure.

Personally I'd rather a slighlty slower boot time if it provides liter usage when I'm actually using the system, and if it provides maximum recoverability.

Ummm... think again buddy-boy. Look to the Alienware notebook range, the Toshiba Qoosimo, and even the higher-end ASUS gaming notebooks (although as an ASUS owner myself. am STILL a little confused as to what the hell ASUS is up to, although the Lamborghini VX5 definately proves a point)... yes they make even the Mac prece-tag look cheap, but does b1tch-slap the "best notebook for class" idea. Add to that the many mid-range media notebooks and gaming notebooks on the market which also outpace that Macbook Pro, and is a rather useless claim.

Sorry, but I'm not your "buddy-boy". Why would anybody want to buy a high-end gaming notebook for school? For one they are huge and heavy (just imagine taking those to and from every single class). Furthermore, unless you actually intend to spend your college years locked away in your dorm gaming, then there's really no point in all that power.

[Menster]

Now students in computer science, engineering and medical sciences, that are used to writing their own programs, are more inclined to use Linux.

I'm sorry maybe I'm confused, but please show me one med student that knows more about a pc than how to switch it on and Google porn

[mvmalderen]

Windows 7 in europe looks to be crap. No IE, no Media player, no bundled apps, and no Upgrade Edition. Sucks.

I disagree:
To come back on this: I really wouldn't care about this: I never really used wordpad nor paint, even Windows Media Player not.
I really don't need them, maybe the only useful thing what's in windows, and what I use sometimes is the Windows Calculator :P.

But I never use IE (so why would there need to complain about this rubbish?), I use Firefox instead.
I never use Windows Media Player, because I use VLC instead.
I never use wordpad (I've never needed it up until now), but I could for example directly use OpenOffice, instead of that fake Word.

A Windows Defragmenter?? Why is there need for that if I can simply use a better alternative like SmartDefrag?
SmartDefrag for example defragments your drives much faster and it supports defragmenting multiple drives at the same time.
Oh, and that other utility, how is it called again? Damn I forgot the name, it was something to clean up your harddrive, but pretty much useless, anyway, I use CCleaner as a replacement.

I've to admit that Paint can be useful sometimes, but I'm sure there are alternatives to it.

[kaninelupus]

Sorry, but I'm not your "buddy-boy". Why would anybody want to buy a high-end gaming notebook for school? For one they are huge and heavy (just imagine taking those to and from every single class). Furthermore, unless you actually intend to spend your college years locked away in your dorm gaming, then there's really no point in all that power.

Sorry "buddy-boy", but when the Mactard usually uses terms like Mac & "we all know" and "best in class", one usually not referring to the classroom (should have known I was talking to a juvenile).

As for best in the classroom (and as a highschool digital arts an IT teacher, I might actually know what I'm talking about here), the MacBook is a bl@@dy disaster, and a pain in the butt besides. For starters we use two Autodesk applications in the classroom; AutoCAD and 3DS Max 2008 (updating to 2010 release by end of yr)... NEITHER of these applications are available to OS X. SO, the student loads up Windows in BootCamp... and BOTH applications run like crap, because Mac have already put Windows on the back foot for anyone running under BootCamp (I guess they figure if Mac users actually realised how well Windows can really run, Apple might be selling a whole less over-priced machines).

Then we come to Photoshop CS4, which runs better on a half-the-price notebook than on Apple's MacBook Pro - which might have something to do with the fact that OS X is hardcoded to prevent more than 90% resource usage, and the lack of common/system file sharing.

And the list of incompatibilities and inconveniences (both for the lonely MacBook user, and the teacher who has to accommodate them... and the rest of the class put out by them) just go on and on. Experience (not the desire to look cool) tells me that the MacBook is even less suited to the classroom than a Linux notebook.

[scru]

Oh yeah I'm so juvenile. I get so hot and bothered when people dare to comment that some other platform is better than mine for one particular thing. If you had even bothered checking the context of the thread, instead of letting your bias make you hasty, you would have known that I was talking about a notebook for students.

If you had taken a little bit more time to really "get" my post (again, discarding your hasty bias), you would have noticed something else too.

Still, you're not making a good point at all. Does your typical college student even care about computer aided design software? True, the lack of powerful CAD software for Mac is one of its weaknesses, but why should people who don't need to use it care? The same goes for Photoshop (CS4 at that). The amount of college students that can afford it is even less than those who actually need to use it.

[jephthah]

Sorry "buddy-boy", but when the Mactard usually uses terms like Mac & "we all know" and "best in class", one usually not referring to the classroom (should have known I was talking to a juvenile).

As for best in the classroom (and as a highschool digital arts an IT teacher, I might actually know what I'm talking about here)

as someone who once sat through a semester of philosophy, I might actually know that the argumentum ad verecundiam (the "appeal to authority") is a fallacious rhetorical trick usually employed to disguise a weak logical argument.

And it doesn't take a college grad to know that the ad hominem attack ("Mactard"? "Juvenile"?) is the sole refuge of poor debaters.

At any rate, your current gig as a "digital arts" teacher puts you in the very small subset of people who require both AutoDesk's and Adobe's high-end software, those that the vast majority of college undergrads have no use for.

Finally, if you really are a H.S. teacher, you ought to be more careful about referring to juveniles as 'tards. It's unprofessional to say the least, and in many school districts you could find yourself quickly dismissed with cause. Especially since you're just an art teacher, and not teaching something important like math or science.

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[jbennet]

can't say one single good thing about it [vista]. i'd rather have XP any day

Other than the fact that it

*Scales much better on modern hardware
*Is easier to deploy
*Has FAR better hardware support
*Native wireless and IPv6
*Improved security (e.g protected mode IE, process isolation)
*Improved, more reliable power management (e.g hybrid sleep)
*Better tablet PC Support
*Improved internationalisation
*Desktop window manager for improved performance and utliisation of GPU resources
*DirectX 10 (big advantage for gamers)
*Improved reovery tools
*Improved (location based) firewall and bundles antimalware software
*Excellent parental controls
*Better update facilities, including improved hotpatching, minimizing reboots and download size.
*RDP application mode
*IIS 7 (modular - more secure, faster, more extensible)
*Looks nicer of course

The only downsides are that its

*Slower than XP
*UAC can get annoying
*Some software and drivers has incompatibilities

In case you cant remember, everyone said these exact 3 points back when xp came out and said that windows 98 was the best os ever (lol).... this is exactly the same thing.

XP is old, vista is the future and offfers many benefits. Upgrade.

[scru]

It's a little sad that some people are still holding onto the idea that Vista is what XP was. ME, perhaps, but not XP. Even Microsoft sees Vista as a failure. Sure Vista introduces some nice things, but as an entire package it is shoddy work.

And as evidenced by the coming release of Windows 7, Vista is definitely not the future. Advising someone to upgrade to Vista now, only to be dissatisfied and upgrade again (or just ditch the platform altogether, understandably) is just plain irresponsible--not to mention it reeks fanboyism.

[Ancient Dragon]

Oh you people complain about a few minutes boot time! You should work with mainframe computers which can take several hours to boot. Of course I realize you don't have mainframe computers on your laptops :)

I've been using Vista Home Premium for a couple years now and have grown to actually like it. I never have any problems with it, except that it won't play my favorite game that I played in XP.

As for MS-Paint -- I don't really care what changes they make to it as long as it still has the ability to open files in one format and save them in another. That's the only thing I use it for.

And yes, I'm upgrading to Windows 7 in October. Why? Just because, that's why.

[jephthah]

Why? Just because i'm unhappy with Vista, that's why

fixed it for you.

people don't toss out a perfectly good, current, and stable OS for something relatively unknown and stripped down with less features than the original --- unless they have a reason

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[Ancient Dragon]

But I'm not unhappy with Vista. I just like installing new operating systems. I've tried various *nix distributions, but they are just too complicated.

Actually there is one reason I'm going to upgrade -- the Pro edition has an XP compatible mode in which I am hoping can play that game again :) As for less features -- I have not heard anything about that, other than it will be stripped down in Europe. But since I don't live there I don't really care about that. The Europeans did that to themselves, Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

[jbennet]

people don't toss out a perfectly good, current, and stable OS for something relatively unknown and stripped down with less features than the original --- unless they have a reason

The reaon, jephtah, was not primarialry for speed.The reason was security, and legal issues.

The security aspect is seen in Server 2008 (NOT RC2 - the original, which is based on vista sp1). The system is modular, and all the dekstop features (themes, media player, most wizards, games etc...) are not present by default, to reduce the attack surface.

The removal of features like Mail from Windows 7s defualt install, was due mainly to antitrust rulings.

[shadwickman]

The Europeans did that to themselves, Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

Actually I think Microsoft did have a large something to do with that. Hence the whole issue in the first place.