Posts by MidiMagic

Have them use the same stylesheet.

Reading the screen resolution works only if you have scripting available. If scripting is turned off, it won't center because the script won't run.

Negative margins and other attributes are nonstandard, and do not work the same in different browsers.

Why can't people accept the fact that the web is not intended to have vertical centering on a screen? If it had been intended to have vertical centering, vertical centering would have been provided.

The real question is what happens to the rest of the content if it won't fit on the artificially centered page with a smaller resolution than the design calls for.

Code that validates.

I'm working on a website for my friend and we're having some problems. We have set up a table to handle the main page, which has within the table a shoutbox, news posts, and links. The news bits within the table are (obviously) longer in terms of space used up than the other bits on the table. So what I did was use the rowspan argument to increase the amount of space that the news feed takes up, but that really isn't enough room, since when we add more news we'll run low on room. Now I would assume that the table would auto-resize to accomidate the length of the news feed, and it does. The problem is that it seems to auto-resize the shoutbox and the first box on the links list as well. Also annoying is the fact that the news is centered both horizontally and vertically, and I would like to center it horizontally only. Both of these are interconnected, because before I resized the news stuff everything worked perfectly, but after I did the problems began coming up. What can I do?

Use the vertical-align: top; style. This moves all of the text in each cell to the top.I always include that style with a table, because IE and FF do different things by default.

When you use rowspan or colspan, how the rows and columns are divided without any styles controlling them depends on the relative sizes of the contents. So if you have …

It's a setting in the browser, and belongs to the user, not to the web developer. The user must set these values.

AutoComplete= is a nonstandard IE extension. This is why it won't validate.

Can you write empty strings into these fields with your script, before allowing the user to enter values?

Could it be a malware block or an ISP block?

A number 2 is in a style without a unit of measure. Units of measure are necessary for nonzero values, prohibited for zero values.

You have an unescaped ampersand in line 21 of the html. This is grabbing all of the characters until a semicolon is encountered in line 25. Use & for the ampersand.

I found syntax errors in the TryIt example.

The col tag is supposed to be self-closing. There is no </col> tag.

<col class="spoo" />

It may also be that your use of colspan invalidated the styles.

It's back! I just got a maximized popup with sexy ladies while viewing the Web Designer area.

And I can't navigate until the ad quits playing.

Today, I navigated down, and the page jumped back to the top to display the ad again.

I am keeping a list of all of the greedy ads that disrupt browsing. I then refuse to do business with those companies.

If they get really obnoxious, I email them, telling them that their tactics are turning me away from using their product. It worked with Iams. But DirectTV started spamming me instead.

I just added the one in the screenshot to my list.

Maybe I will whack them with VR's spatula.

If the ad is so obnoxious that it interferes with navigation, do they really think I will want to buy the product????

I keep a lost of obnoxious ads, and don't do business with those companies.

The page looks wrong when the default font sizes are bigger, when used with smaller resolutions. Also check the settings in the display option in Windows Control Panel. Certain combinations of text box settings and font size or text size settings can cause that. Also note that scrollbars can disappear if the scrollbar size setting is set to a number larger than 17 with a large font selection.

Thats wierd i posted an reply to 28 saying "thats why its called *regression* " and now my post is disappeared?

I added the same question to another of my posts, in Web Development, HTML and CSS. You posted it there.

The fact is that Firefox 2 became so useless to me that I had to do the unwanted upgrade just to use it. But I do not understand why it started messing up on more and more websites over time.

Could it be that some plugins that were upgraded work on FF3 but not FF2?

A few points:

- You can center text vertically in a container, but NOT on the browser window. The web is not designed for centering objects on the screen vertically. Web pages start at the top, and grow down enough to display the content. Different browsers, screen resolutions, and window sizes make it impossible to center objects on the screen in a way that works on all computers.

- Don't use pixel counts to define sizes. Use points or percentages.

- Divs are box objects, not text containers. Use p tags for text.

I did it with notepad.

I used find and replace to replace each tag with either nothing or the separators needed to import the data into the database.

If you link all of your pages to each other, with the links at the tops,then the similarity is not much of a penalty.

How does an update make something stop working? An update is supposed to make things work better.

Are you saying that they purposely broke it to make people change to FF 3?

The idea is to separate the document content from the formatting. The xhtml (which is the real replacement for html) contains the content, and the css contains the formatting.

Do this:
- Take a screenshot of the finished page.
- Reduce its size with a photo editor.
- Use the resulting image as the thumbnail.

But that doesn't explain how software that used to work suddenly does not work anymore. This isn't just a bug or an update. Somebody had to DO something to make the software no longer work. Software does not spontaneously decay.

So who did what?

> put the menu bar below the ad strip on the screen layout, instead of above it.
That's the way it used to be ... and if memory serves, the menu was below the leaderboard ad for that very reason. Unfortunately, pressure from advertisers required the ad directly below the navigation menu instead of above it.

"Waaaah! Waaaah! We want our way, or else." They want to stop us from navigating away from the ad, by covering the navigation bar and menus, and by stopping us from scrolling.

Because they are that greedy, you should put the ads at the bottom of the page, so they can expand all they want without messing up the page.

Another suggestion: put the menus in the sidebar and the ads in the main part.

The REAL reason they want us to stop using tables for anything other than tabular data is accessibility.

HTML readers for the blind read off the row and column number for each table cell. This means nothing concrete to the blind person, if the table is used for layout purposes instead of tabular data.

The exact percentage of similarity of two pages after with a search engine may penalize you is not known, it varies from search engine to search engine, Your aim should be to keep your page similarity as LOW as possible

Where are you finding this information? How are you testing this similarity? And what two files are you comparing?

It's working in IE7 and FF3, and it used to work in FF2. Why did it stop working in FF2?

Not all printers are created equally.

You are having problems because the printer is not controlled by either the web browser or the html code. It is controlled by the printer driver that came with the printer. This function (and its settings) belongs to the owner of the computer rendering the page, not to you.

Your code can not know in advance how many lines the printer attached to the user's system can put on a page, or how the printer will lay out a table. It will be different if a user with a different printer opens the page. Just like different screen resolutions, there are different printer pixel resolutions.

So all of the rules that apply to different screens (and their disadvantages) also apply to different printers. Not only can't you know where the printer will break a page, you can't even know how large the printed page is, in terms of how much content fits on a page.

To get all of a table (or multiple tables) onto a page, the user should select the parts he wants to print, and then use Print Selection on the printer dialog box.

You should upgrade anyways ... before FF2's end of life next month, at least.

I still do not understand how software that used to work just fine suddenly does not work, or how its life can "end".

Who is doing what to damage it? Software does not spontaneously decay.

I'm getting that too. The Flash player wants to be on top while the image is changing.

Solution: put the menu bar below the ad strip on the screen layout, instead of above it. Don't put any ad content within range of the menu dropdowns.

And get rid of the stupid face and use a title.

Is this an image?

The best way to design a page is to create an array of objects that can expand or move apart to fill the screen horizontally.

Note that if the image or page is too big for the screen resolution, scrollbars will appear, so the user can scroll the screen to see the rest.

Do not expect to exactly fill the screen vertically. The web is not designed to do this.

Similar page result? On what?

Are you referring to your search score for your website on some search engines? That just shows how well the website contents match your search string.

You can add scrollbars to divs cant you?

Yes. The difference is that table defaults to adding scrollbars, but div defaults to changing size and location to render.

Firefox 2. But I tested it with FF3, IE6, and IE7. I also validated it with W3C when I last posted the page. The only thing I did was upload the image again, after reducing its pixel-per-inch resolution to cut the memory usage of my site.

Can someone tell me why the picture no longer reserves its own space on the page, as it used to do?

I still fail to see any scientific proof that man can change this. Al Gore used bad science.

The current consensus of real scientists (not the political scientists Gore has allied with him) is that the sun's temperature is increasing. Global warming is also evident on Venus, Mars, Titan, and Europa.

How do we stop the sun?

It works!

What changed?

A web page that worked for over a year suddenly started overlapping an image on top of a table presented under it. The table used to render lower, completely below the image. I didn't change the code.

The image is the lower of two .gif images, and the table is immediately under it. I attached the image. Here is the code below (abbreviated - I removed the last 66 rows of the last table):

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">
<head>
<title>YELLOW TRAP LOCATIONS</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8" />

<style type="text/css">

.bmag {background-color: #ff88ff;}
.bhel {background-color: #ff88e5;}
.bcer {background-color: #ff88cc;}
.bcar {background-color: #ff88aa;}
.brdd {background-color: #ff8888;}
.bver {background-color: #ffaa88;}
.born {background-color: #ffcc88;}
.bamb {background-color: #ffe088;}
.byel {background-color: #ffff88;}
.bcha {background-color: #e0ff88;}
.blef {background-color: #ccff88;}
.blim {background-color: #aaff88;}
.bgrn {background-color: #88ff88;}
.bkel {background-color: #88ffaa;}
.baqu {background-color: #88ffcc;}
.btur {background-color: #88ffe0;}
.bcyn {background-color: #88ffff;}
.bsky {background-color: #88e0ff;}
.bazu {background-color: #88ccff;}
.bste {background-color: #88aaff;}
.bblu {background-color: #8888ff;}
.bind {background-color: #aa88ff;}
.bvio {background-color: #cc88ff;}
.bpur {background-color: #e088ff;}

.blil {background-color: #e0ccff;}
.blav {background-color: #eeccff;}
.bfuc {background-color: #ffccff;}
.bsst {background-color: #ffddff;}
.bclo {background-color: #ffeeff;}
.bros {background-color: #ffccee;}
.bpnk {background-color: #ffdddd;}
.bsho {background-color: #eeffcc;}

.bblk {background-color: #000000;}
.bwht {background-color: #ffffff;}
.bblg {background-color: #f0f0f0;}
.bbgr {background-color: #dddddd;}
.blgr {background-color: #cccccc;}
.bhgr {background-color: #aaaaaa;}
.bgry {background-color: #888888;}
.bbrn {background-color: #aa8800;}
.btan {background-color: #eeddbb;}
.bvil {background-color: #eeddff;}
.bpea {background-color: #ddffdd;}
.breg {background-color: #ddffff;}
.bbgf {background-color: #44ff00;}
.bbgg {background-color: #ffffff;}

.bx   {background-color: #c0c0c0;}

.cenx {text-align: center;}
.bigr …

I am getting error console errors on the page. Here is a screenshot of the error console log for loading this page:

A thought: In FF2, if the div won't completely fit in its container, it won't render at all. It won't expand a containing tag with a defined size (unless it is another div), and it won't render just part of the content.

I am now on FF2. The alternate login works, but:

- The dropdown menus are under the ad image.

- The search box is missing. The other links are on the top bar.

- The flashing cursor is missing from the quick reply box again.

Sorry to double post again ... Midi, can you please send a screenshot?

Here it is:

I don't have those watermarks images. There is nothing on the bar to the right of the "Members Login" button.

If it's an FF2 bug, how come it worked fine until today?

And I am TOTALLY SICK of this mad upgrade rush I am constantly being subjected to. Why can't we keep what we have in such a way that it works? Why do they seem to break the old one when the new one comes out? The people who demand these upgrades need a firing squad. They make people spend money on things they already have, by making the old things quit working. This is the LAST thing we need in these hard economic times.

If I had my wish, websites would require NO plug-ins.

I have three computers:
One is upgraded to Windows XP, Office 2007, IE7, and FF3.
The second has Windows XP, Office 2003, IE6, and FF2.
The third has DOS 6.2, Windows 3.1, Microsoft Works, and no web browsers or internet connection.

My employer paid for me to upgrade the first one. But I agreed to not use it for general web usage for security reasons.

I have the second one partly for the purposes of checking my web pages on old browsers. But it is the one I must use for web browsing. And the hard disk has only 4 GB free, so I can't have two versions of FF.

The third one is …

This is different from the RealPlayer plugin problem, right?

Yes. I fixed that 3 days ago, but have been too busy to be back until today.

First of all, if the content is tabular data, use a table. It is not deprecated.

The main idea is to get rid of the old usages of using tables to create borders and margins. Before CSS, table was the only way to have a border or a margin around the page.

Another objective is to not use tables to position objects on the page. Unfortunately, the use of div means the page layout falls apart if things don't fit, or if the window size is reduced. The table will add scrollbars if the content doesn't fit.

The problem is trying to make a page that exactly fills a screen.

The internet specifications do not have this kind of page defined as a possibility. A web page is supposed to start at the top and grow downward as far as the content needs.

Firefox follows the standards, IE does not.

Make the decision at print time by selecting the table, and then print only the selection.

css is an addition to html, not a replacement for it.

Check the IE security settings.

I found this problem. A Real Player plugin was causing the trouble. I removed it.

IE just crashed while I was using the new site. I had to restart IE to get back in. It said something about needing a plugin, but I don't have enough hard disk space left to be wasted on a new set of plugins for IE. I already have a set for FF.

Oh ... one more thing. When you are using FireFox, do you see the search form initially? When you click Member Login does the search form go away, does it stay, or do you not see anything there at all?

There is nothing to the right of the "Member Login" button.

Firstly, who did you try [unsuccessfully] emailing?

I emailed narue, and the technical manager listed at the end of the "contact us" list (If I go there, I lose my text).

Secondly, you can use www.daniweb.com/login.php temporarily.

Thirdly, please answer the following questions:
What version of FireFox?
2.0.0.18

What is your screen resolution set to?
1152 X 864

Do you have the DPI settings changed in Windows (from 96 dpi to 120 dpi) for extra large fonts / menus / icons?
No.

Are you maximizing the browser window?
Yes

Do you see a horizontal scrollbar in your browser window?

No.

I suddenly can't log in at all with Firefox. All I see is a Daniweb logo, "Join Us", and "Member Login" on the top bar. The "Member Login" button is grayed out, and does nothing. The "Join Us" button works, but doesn't give an option to log in.

I can't log in using Firefox. When I click on the Member Login button, nothing happens. The windows for username and password do not appear.

If I go to a forum post and try to reply, it tells me to login. If I click on the login link, it returns me to the same page again, even if I open a new tab or a new window.

I logged in with IE, but I hate doing this, because IE changes some Windows settings I need set differently for some software I have to use. It takes me about half an hour to put these settings back and test them.

I tried emailing your service people, and their mailboxes return as being full.

Please fix this.

The thread is "Internet Explorer Issue While Viewing Threads". I also couldn't edit the above post.