Posts by autocrat

I'm not sure whether SEO is unethical or not, to be honest.... the desire to appear within the top listings is fair enough... attempting to ensure that your site is their is only natural. If this requires optimisation, then fine.

What I beleive to be unethical is the methods by which some/most/all the SE work.

The rating of a site based upon content -- this is good, fair and sensible!
The rating of a site when it utilises graphics, a facy menu (non-txt-flash/js/j), has many levels, contains video, audio, flash files, uses tables for layout, doesn't contain <HD> tages, has a frontwelcome/home page with little content... not good, unfair and completely pout of date!

If I make a WS that is simply made of sole html, with no graphics, tons of bland txt, use bland txt links, has a huge <HD1> tage for the page title, a <HD2> for Section titles and <HD3> tags for sub-section titles, I place the words from my hdr, page/section/subsection titles as keywords and phrases... I can almost gaurentee being in the top three on almost all SE.
THATS NOT WEB DESIGN.

Yet thats the best way to get to the top without paying for it!

mentioning paying... now, depending on what you pay for raises ethics!
Some literally optimise your site... better Kwords+phrases, ensuring proper structure etc. This is good.
Placing links onlink indexes solely created of SEO, placing ads everywhere, this is not good!

really?
Thats handy, was worried about the cascade affect... yet if @ import is higher in ranking, then thats perfect!

All I need now is a table listing browsers and their support/lack of different CSS commands/fomattings...

any ideas?

Is the table made in html or another web-language?

If all it is is <table> <tr> <td> details </td> </tr></table>.... then it is static... it won''t change and can't be sorted!

You'd have to use something else instead, a dynamic script or so that permits you to layout a mutable design.... php, if the host provides for odbc/windows, then I think you could do something in excel and upload it..... but basic html won't do what you want...sorry!

I know how to use access... pretty good... not to hot on the sql language, yet can get it to do the simple stuff (which you can do with access any way, so no great advantage there ! LOL).

Still... design a DB layout, create the DB, run it to ensure basic function, then start adding all the little extra bits.... that I can do... the principal should be the same with MySQL... epc. as I have software that works like access for mysql DB creation!

unusual -> kinky

(hey - you started it!)

I'm trying to avoid the absolute stuff (along with z-index etc... to ensure more browser compatibaility!

Just cant understand why I can't simply have 3 divs with background imaes in a single row, containedin a div to centralise them.

I've gone through everything I could!

I've blasted throught the net for hours last night... zip!
Either I'm making some damn stupid and blatant mistakes... or trying stuff others don't!
Either is really going to get me annoyed - this is why I preffered tables! So much easier.
Yet CSS is bett.. I know it is... just more to learn and figure what the hell things are meant for!

Still... anything I figure out, I'll post in here.... atleast that way there is a reference point if others try something similar!

Further, is anybody else having issues with NN6 being a pain?
Ithough IE was the bugger... yet I can do what Il ike in that... works no matter what I try... it's NN6 that sems to sod it all up for me!

lust -> infatuate

(whats with the fornication stuff? LOL)

OK... I've been got by CSS... I revoke my dislike for it!
I think it has potential and could be used constructively!

I hate CSS!

I sat up till 5:30 odd this moring... simply trying to make a header with 3 images, a left end, center and right end.... so that ould put Hdr text infront of the center object etc.... seemed simple enough!

SO I think.... bkgrnd imgs.....inline....easy!
Yepp.... got the 3px bug!
Beat it in 2 mins.... obvious.... felt good!
I set the center to %
I now have a bar with a lft end, rght end and a stretching center!
GREAT
Not in NN6 I dont... only in IE6!!!!!!!
For some reason, have a % image in NN6 causes it to flicker!
Only find stuff about IE flicker... nothing on NN6.
WTF
So, I think rather than using divs, I'll try this span.... now I have nothing in NN6! IE is no different!
So I go back to div!
I turnb the center from % to px.
No flicker, (no shift either.. but hey!)

So, I put some txt in the center div to start the hdr text formatting....
my entire design just stuffed it!

The center image is now nolonger horizontally level with the ends! It's pushed downwards!
I've paddd the div... tried inserting another div within it... no difference! The txt stuffed it royally!

hmmm... some help regarding CSS and ddesign/layout would be good!

See latest thread... don't want to hijack this one!

hmmm...well I learned access in 1 month (the basics), and I'm pretty good with DB design in general... so it shouldn't take to longh to get the basics... it's all teh advanced stuff that concerns me...still, I'll get there (Just asfter I finsih bodging through CSS!)

hmmm... I've been looking at that... and to be safe, I think it best to generate two seperate CSS files... the link one being for standard font/txt and gnereal positioning, the @import one for the detailed styling... only thing is, I'm not sure if I can alter an element twice, from two seperate files?

Have to play around abit!

will that have a forms like interface that access does to creat front ends?
I mean, a visula builder...wysiwyg sort of thing, or is it merely a visual DB builder?

old ---> antiquated

OK.....

http://www.freevbcode.com/ShowCode.asp?ID=2226
http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=26956

Two different approaches!

Goodluck.

hmmm... in that case, I don't blame you! If it is too restrictive for you, then use an alternative.

Not sure about connecting to an access db though...... should be able too, but not sure..... I think a friend connect standard vb to access, so I don't see why a net version would be unable to!

LMAO

NO!
That is what I'm trying so desperaely to avoid..... several of my friends had got into WS Design, and took me on board for my business and administration skills... I ended up spending 3 months figuring how to detect browsers, versions, capabilites etc... sod that for a laugh!

:whimper:
you were kidding, right?

OK... between you doing that, the site i posted, and the design stuff someone in another forum has posted.... I'm now sold on CSS!

It will be a bugger getting to be cross B/P, and making sure I don't break the validation rules too often.... yet I think it's worth it... esp. as I have been told tables aren't BAD, just should be used as alittle as possible, or not at all if it can be done with CSS......

YEP, Guess I'm for CSS.... joy... more stuff to figure properly... alongside the mysql & php, figuring how to wangle advertsing companies to stop trying to overcharge me.... and figuring my club sights SEO problems..... But it is worth learning properly.

Thank you for proving that to me.. .wasn't sure, but if you could turn that into css... then just about anything should be possible with the last gen of browsers....!

ah... fair enough....
So, I guess that any site that is multiple levels will always face a similar issue of not being able to implement such menus as 100% browser safe.... instead I have to ensure that I provide an additional method of reaching the sub/child pages as well, incase the browser doesn't support the original method?

Damn, and I was thinking it was about possible!

Now all I have to do is think of a way to do this without it looking ugly!

So, I get to use the nice pretty and funky menu's, so long as I ensure multiple means of getting around, (inc. basic anchors, a site map etc.), and ensure the funky code is hidden from older browsers.
Damn... more work!
Oh well... of to play!

Thanks for your help!

why do you need the VB.net front end?
Can't you just build the front end via Access, either as forms or as an DAP?

(Unless your friend lacks a copy of office, which would be unusual! LOL).

Seriously though, is there a set reason for the VB?

things like this are what get me... I like this sort of designing... not really any different from the magazine layout, just with some themed images, it really sets the field as it were...

http://leftjustified.net/journal/2004/10/07/css-negotiation/

I think it is mostly CSS... I've seen alot of sites with similar designs, yet the y blatantly use tables (what really gets me is half of them are cheering for CSS, whilst using tables! LOL).

erm...

"Hello. You have found an example page for Suckerfish Dropdowns. Under the hood you will find some nice structured HTML, a smattering of CSS and a teensy bit of JavaScript (that's just 12 lines of it). It's lightweight, it's accessible, it's cross-compatible."

See what the problem is?

I'm looking everywhere for the best ways to conform, and reading all these articles on why we MUST conform and adhere, and see everyone harping about this, that and the other, and the way things are going, we should all be using xhtml (bland html), CSS (to snazz up the xhtml), and making sure we support various browsers.....

Yet you shouldn't use JS because some browsers don't support it...
shouldn't make menus that don't use text hyperlinks due to SE's....
Shouldn't use CSS positioning/z-index because it is not fully supported...
shouldn't use tables because it's bad form...

I'm getting sick of it... the only way to generate a decent page that conforms to all the rules is by using basic CSS and generally sticking to to the standardised, exceptionally common "magazine" desing with a strong-graphical header or edging.... so it looks like a brochure.

There seems no way of dealing with a site that has a structure of...

1111
2222
3333
--3333aaa
--3333bbb
--3333ccc
--3333ddd
444
---444aaa
------444aaa111
------444aaa222
---444bbb
---444ccc
------444ccc111
------444ccc222
------444ccc222
------444ccc222

…

OK, I'm getting a little confused......

A lot of sites actually have little in the way of content, and have a simple navigation struction... be it basic text links, button graphics, roll-over graphics, or roll-over/hover affects from JS or even CSS.....
I think this is fine for smaller sites.....
yet what about bigger sites?
The only thing I can think of as acceptable is a folding/collapsing menu system.... yet these tend to be JS, which means you are shot from the Search Engines, and I suppose not going to please those with JS disabled!

So, I have looked for a cross platform, cross browser, non-js alternative using css.... and guess what, just about all of them require a bit of JS to work!
Brilliant!
Solves the problem of SE's not liking the JS only menu.... but still stuffs up the non-JS browsers....

I have a simple JS menu at ppresent, it folds out nicely, asn as far as I know, works on all browsers with JS the same.... yet isn't SE friendly....

So, any suggestions for a reliable, cross B, cross P, SE friendly menu system for a site of around 40 odd pages?

hmmm. I know nothing about Java.... what file types can it accept?
I assume that it can take in text - comma/tab delinated files, so almost any DB program can provide that sort of output.....

It depends on whether you need the DB to ge with the Java, or just to start it off with a DB back end...
Let us know more, and you'll find more help!

OK, heres a quick question for you designers or aspiring designers...

What are "your" preferences to an ideal site, both design wise, and layout wise. By design, I refer to colours, images, affects, scripting, codes, finishing touches and added extras....by layout I mean centralised, hard left, flowing/liquid, coloumned/boxed or break-out etc.?

Do you prefer the stereo typical and common colomn design, a more extravagant and flairful colomn design, something more graphical and flowing, something that spreads downwards in a pattern etc.

Just wondering what those who "do" prefer... as I'm noticing strong trends, and can't decide if it due to customer or designer... I have this aching feeling that a large number of DTP'rs got into WS Design, and the results speak volumes!
(nothing against DTP'rs, almost was one!, just not impressed wit hthe vast commoness of current design!).

Be interesting to see what you lot prefer.

Well, I've had a play..... I can position things at the bottom of the page using either CSS... which was problematic.... or I can make IE stretch to the bottom of the window if the page is shorter, and take a bottom aligned graphic with it..... alternatively, I have a JS code to do basically the same thing, so that it will overlay what ever is on the page, so it appears that things are scrolling from under it!
Make sense?

Well, firstly, what do you have?
Not the cards.... the database!

I'm assuming you have mysql, due to the forum.....
So, are you going to make it text based, typing everything... or going to get a program to make the process a little easier, something like navcator that, (works like MS Access!)?

As for the DB itself, I assume you know what details you wish to enter...name, number, description, details etc....unique id.....then all you do is make things indexed....particularly the unique id, name and number.

Does that make any sense?

Well, here'g a general example of what I mean, without getting overly complicated....
http://www.bokb.co.uk/test/test5.html

Not perfect, but I still ache from training, got too many bruises on parts that make sitting unpleasant etc..... (I'm thinking the only thing I need to learn self defence for is to protect myself from those I train with! LOL)....

So let me know if this sort of thing is possible with css.

... Kevin smithers ...
Cheers for that..... any basic examples.... as I'm concerned tha tlayers aren't support or viewed the same... (layers as in z-index, or as in divides?)

... Dave SW ...
LMAO!!!!
If that isn't quite possibly the most blatant, obvious, short handed method of fixing an issue.... I'm very impressed!
LOL
I can't believe I diodn't see it!
Thank you!
Senseible, easy.... I wonder how often I can use it... spacer/placer/positioner...hmm!

You could try installing a free FORUM (like this), or a free CHAT program.

just go to google or the like, and do a search on FREE + CHAT / FREE + FORUM etc.
Alternative, look at sites that provide free code... webwiz etc... they are either there, or linked!

Good luck!

Thanks for the reply, yet it seems to be the same sort of thing I already have. When I said ...."visual front end builder".... I meant the same sort of thing Access does when generating gforms or reports.... either direct control of what elements/fields go where on teh page, or wizards to help generate such, but using things like drag and drop, object selection then allocating origin of source etc. (make sense?), rather than a program to enable me to code php/mysql etc..... plenty of them available, and I think I have most of the rated ones! (LOL - I trawl the net so much, I end up with atleast 16 files a month that I have no idea what they are! Keep them though.. LOL)

Again, there all about the same.... general magazine layouts, barely graphical..... which is perfect if that is the wanted look, yet I've known people that want themes, or that due to the nature of the intended site will require a more "break out" layout and appearance.... which seems either very difficult wo achieve with CSS, or impossible, I can't figure which!
If it's just difficult, then I'll stick with it and keep it at the fore of my learning... if it is currently impossible due to the lack of true browser support, I'll simply say sod it and stick to tables... I have no wish to waste time attempting to perfect something that won't work..... I'll stick to learning the standard article appearance and that will be it!

sorry, my bad!

The links are...
http://www.bokb.co.uk/test/Untitled1.htm
http://www.bokb.co.uk/test/Untitled2.htm

not much, just playingh and trying to figure the layouts correctly... once I have that, I can generate a library of templates for self refrence.

I just seem unable to keep things mutable/liquid, whilst keeping set widths on objects and preventing things from overlapping!

To be frank, if you intend to generate the equivelent of a magazzine, catalogue or other such medi on the net, CSS appears more than useful.... but as soon as you try replicating something that uilses real mutable/graphical trends, it tends to foul things, and tables are a better choice from where I'm sat.

Saying that... is it permissable to still use tables whilst applying css to them, a sort of step between,. as this would permit the solid control of positioning and layout from both, whilst eliminating some of the lack of support for css functions in current browsers?

Further, is there anywhere with a set, hard and fast guide/rule for what should be practiced and what shouldn't? I can find stuff about the coding, accepted sybtax, what browsers support.... yet things like using CSS, not using tables, not using frames etc seems to be more based on preference and opinion, not coding rules by anyone official, (that I can find).

I want to conform, (never thought I'd say that! LOL), and I would really like to stick to the recommendations, but if the browsers are …

... DaveSW ...

I've got / used / toyed with the "Clear: both;" code after floats..... be it on the last item floated, or even on a spare "gutter" div.... seems to make little difference sometimes... depends upon the content onf the divs and their sizes... or atleast the way I've managed to pull things together! Have a look at the code on my liks, you'll see what I mean!

Still, if you could point what I have hashed up, then I'll take it like a man, (cry when no one is looking!), then go and fix it as told, ('cause I really am a good boy! *cough*). Seriously though, any help is always welcome, and a lesson learned is, well, something I didn't know beforeehand, which is always good!

well, the problem is that I can play all day using standard html and generate a pretty page or two.... merely by placing graphics in cells or as cell backgrounds... looks nice, saves on load times etc. compared to dumping a whole image.... yet trying the same thing with css is a pain!

I shouldn't need to do any examples.... I thought everyone was either having the issues, or had found a way round it!

Still, I'll knock out some dummy pages to day, post them on my site somewhere, then link up! (the posts will be the tables side of layout/design, not the css!)
Then if anyone can see methods of using css to do the same, please..... tel me! I'll get on my knees and beg - ( if needed, or if you ask nicely :grin: ).

Further question... is it considered acceptable to use tables with css?
infact, is it possible to use css and tables together? Not using css to format tables porperties or contents as per the standard, but to place divs. float images etc?

Hmm... no genius, but I think you can do it several ways.... depends on what you want!

You could have one db.... and just limit the access to things dependant upon user...ie the branches can only input and view their input, where as hq can llok at all input.

Alternatively, you could make multiple copies of the db framework, supply it to all branches, and have them send daily/hourly updates to the main hq db that will import them all...... so you make a big db and a little db... make sense?

or you can make a cross of the two main methods.....
have to careful about security though!

The more you have a permenant connection, tyhe easier to get at.... so I'd recommend have shuttered end db's... (one db per branch, have set times to send the info out to hq!)..... so you have start of day, mid day and end of day.... this means that there are 2 cross check files to ensure the figures add up, (start and end of current/previous/next!).... and the mid day for projection reasons!

If you make the db so that it is web based, you could have it easier... you set it up as an extra-net, (like a ntwork but over the web!).... that way it is safer to protect the connection ends!

still, see what others say!

OK, this is the link!

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/javascript/synd/2002/03/01/css_layout.html?page=2

please go have a look.... they are on about using CSS instead of tables... and provide you a a sample page with the table, and a sample page with the CSS....
the only problem is....
both use tables!

What is more, when you try using the CSS code they list as having used, (rather than the table!), I found that it doesn't work... the right hand column drops!

Does anybody else have this problem with it, or is it my browsers?

PS, can someone please "hold my hand and walk with me" throught this IE box model bug what not.... I have the code, I understand how it's supposed to work, yet I have to fudge like mad just to get it to go roughly right!

Any and all help/answers welcome!

PPS, not haveing a CSS beating.... merely trying to figure it all out properly, and it appears even the pro's have stuffed this one! LOL Still, kind of makes me feel good, if they can, I most certainly will!
:grin: ((says alot about my personality! LOL))

thanks for the posts... got it working though.... (haven't really done much yet, playing with sodding CSS at the moment!)..... all I have to do is find a visual front end builder to link mysql to php!

Sorry if it appears I get irrate easily.... I just have a certain mindset nd strong morales and ethics... and get more than a little peeved when people/companies/bodies/organisations/institutes... seem to hold a large amount of influence and perform in unusal or unsatisfactory ways...... it seems more and more that the internet is a money maker rather than an information base... even search engines are intent on making most of us pay, and it annoys me somewhat!

Yet, thank you both for the comments and advice, it really is appreciated!
So I will keep looking, then try to figure the best approach, (ahem, that is, after I go remove the hidden! LOL).

Hi folks......

I'm a bit new to this... played with DB's on an off for years...... now getting back to programming and web design, learning to play with all the big boy's toys etc.
LOL

Yet I must admit that I have fallen for the simplicity of access's ability to generate the user front end so easily.... is there not a similar way to do the same using php or even html?

Now I've got software to connect to mysql and generate the DB's backend much like access, and think this is a god send, as I find it easier to construct with a visual aid rather than the old ascii appearance....

I've seen software that claims to be able to take asp and turn it to php... so I am assuming that it should be able to take a database front end f asp and turn it into a database front end of php?
(jaguar asp to php)

So, I'm not sure 100%, and thought I'd ask....
Is there not software that can link up to a mysql DB and visually build user frontends as in access?

Hell, I'm no genius or expert.......
but it really does depend on several key factors;

application / usage
---- light load / heavy load
---- entering data / altering data/ processing data
connections / users
---- light / moderate / heavy
---- short periods / long periods
time frame
--- needs to be built yesterday / a couple of days / ages to go

I think these are the three main keys to making your decision!
If you only need a light horse to run quick and simple courses with only a few riders, then go with Access... it's simple enough to use, does the general things in life quite well, and generates a front end with the greatest of ease.
If you want something that can shift earth whilst running, entertain a large audience and don't have to beat a clock, then go wiuth myssql, (or just about anything else!).

Oh, and to chip in on the anti-access..... I've never, ever had a problem! I think it has something to do with they way they are built! I've "seen" MSADB's that fall over every tuesday at 09:00 every week for a ever, then I've used others that have crashed only due to stupidity! If it's used for the general tasks it was made for ,(note:- not marketed for - MS "claimed" so much, and it fails those goals!), then it's fine.... start trying to get to …

Well, I take it no one else has a clue either!

Oh well.... I'll plug and pray as I go with that one!

Just to bite a bit....

if using tables, I can split up graphics, stretch them from 1px wide to what ever is needed, align things without to much fuss, easily and readily use almost any of the numerous wysiwyg efitors..... it's really quite easy to do......

so how am I meant to achieve the same amount of diversity and ease using all this css?
It took me the better part of 4 1/2 hours to knock out what I hope to be a useful layout..... yet I only know its ok in ie6 and ns6 for windows.... I have no idea on other browsers...... I never had these issues with tables!

So, is there a standard technique etc.... a set of commands without using phacks or pass's to ensure the same level of design ease?

If anyone knows, please let me know! I can see why CSS would be great, apart from the fact that it's barely supported in most of the latest browsers, let alone anything else.... I can see I'd use it for font/text colours, sizes, positions etc... and thats it, otherwise it seems to much hardwork for a simple result, which can be done in half the time with a table!

Also, someone made a wonderful site by usoing background graphics! It really did look the business..... yet I thought that sort of practice was fround upon almost as much as using tables.... is it possible to apply and position the …

ah, I don't mind the frustration, so long as it has an end/reward!
The best things in life are worth the effort.... but I just can't believe that they have got away with so much crap, yet everyone else is meant to conform!
What a laugh!

Still, I think I'm getting to grips with css... the basics were simple, and I think I have generated a decent layout.... it works in ie6/win and ns6/win.... just need others to let me know about mozie and mac etc.

Isn't there someway of all web-designers petitioning or something?
I mean, if there is a standards group, and these are the people that generate the languages, or strongly influence them, shouldn't they be bullying the browsers to conform?

I understand the competitive side, yet that should be aimed at users, not designers! Make better buttons, simpler layout, multiple layouts for different usages/level of use etc.... not what flaming code it takes... it would be like car designers building engines to run on a variety of different petrols...... people would scream and shout until they backed down and conformed to the market... so why isn't it happening with this?

Still, whinging over.... got to go play with css... and when I get that tucked away, I get to play with php and mysql.... joy!
:grin:

thanks for the response!
(did I put this in the wrong place?)

I prefer tables personally... I find it so much easier to break a layout down using a simple ruler and pencil.... no real coding requireds at all!

Yet thios is apparently frowned upon!

I'm seriously considering doing Web-design... yet looking at all the BS that goes with it, the lack of communication between browser designers, lack of conformity, penalisiation of sites by SE's, the vast number of others that do it and do it badly (I know I shouldn't put others down, but damn, somne people should keep away from computers AND graphical design!).

I'm pretty quick with learning code, I'm a wizard at design and organisation, and pretty good with graphics, real or digital.... so I wouldn't mind having a go..... but I'm hessitant due to the vast amount of difficulty all these other influences cause!

All of this is great... but still doesn't resolve the issue of SE ranking!

I've looked and looked, and I'll I find is contradiction.... some sites say A, others say B, then some say NOT A, but B, and on a few, I have seen A, B, NOT A and definitely NOT B!

So what should I be doing?

I have good Keywords, singluar and phrases, title, description etc. I have a WELCOME PAGE with no txt, so I have put in "hidden txt" (same Colour as the BG), I'm about to paste in standard TXT links at the bottom of the page etc.....
What is good, what isn't..... the club kind of needs the site working by summer, as thats when we usually get new members..... but I'm thinking it's pointless.... the SE penalise anyone with graphical or design flair, and I'd be better with a plain old B&W sodding TXT FILE up on the net.... man this sucks! It's pathetic!

OK.... I think I have a legitimat way of doing this.......
You just position things at the bottom of the page, with a Z-placement of a higher value!
That should work!
This, if you want the page to appear to be in a extending frame... you simply position relative to the bottom of the page..... where as if you position to the bottom of the window, the contents would appear to scroll through ???? (is that right?)
Also, is that permissable?

Hi folks....

This is my second topic on CSS....
I want to know about layout, positioning and designing!

I tend to generate themed sites.... not as in Xmas, halloween etc., but as in I use graphics to generate a feel... like machine parts, the site resembles a startrek data pad etc.

So how am I meant to do this with CSS?

I'm reading stuff saying that Tables are bad etc.... yet cannot think of a decent way of achieving the same results!

Also, if anyone has answers to this, they may want to look at my other post, and hoepfully answer that also!

http://www.daniweb.com/techtalkforums/newpostinthread18785.html

Thank you.

Nice!
Good to see others working with graphics as well as design!

Though I have to ask... am I one of the only people left who create graphics, then manuall cut them up and position them into tables, as everyone else seems to use export features to do it now?

Ok, getting a little confused......

Evey time I get to playing with web-coding, theres new complaints, new coding practices, new do's and don'ts, new contradictions of what came previously!

I am of the favour of tables for layout..... yet I am told that NOW it should all be done with CSS... the html (xhml ?), should have the content, the css should hace the affects..... ?

Fine!

So how the hell am I meant to apply all the layouts I can have in tables, to a flamming CSS?

for example, I have several paragraphs of text, and several images. I want the layout as follows....

TXT IMG
IMG TXT
TXT IMG

Whats more, I want it all FLOWING! I want it so the when the side of the browser window is dragged inwards, and the page gets smaller in the width, I want these elements to reposition!

(it appears unlike many designers, IU am one of the few that beleives and codes for a static head/nav system, and the main content should be sizeable and able to shift if the window size changes! None of this "ALL" should be centralised for me!).

I can alter the appearence of txt no problem... yet as soon as I start aattempting to apply positioning etc.... it is ignored!

Am I missing something?
I've looked on the net, and I cannopt find a tutorial, guide etc. that covers combining different element …

I've trawled through my JS menu code and cut the deignations... all I have to do is turn them in to links... when I have the time!
I'm looking inot CSS and the coding rules for the web, conformities etc..... then I'll rebuild the site!