Interesting. In 2013 when the GOP controlled Congress and the Senate, they called it the Obama Shutdown. Now when the GOP controls Congress, the Senate AND the White House, it's called the Schumer Shutdown.

Then of course there's his remarks about 2013 and now:

Then: “'Here’s the truth, the gov't doesn’t shutdown.' ... All essential services continue. Don't believe lies." (Via Twitter, Sept. 23, 2013)

Now: "A government shutdown will be devastating to our military ... something the Dems care very little about!" (Via Twitter, Thursday)

source: Trump's had some very different views on government shutdowns over the years

Identify a group or groups and villify them.

  • Mexicans are drug runners, rapists and murderers
  • Immigrants are stealing your jobs
  • Muslims are terrorists

If the press is against you say that everything they report is a lie

  • Lügenpresse (lying press)

The big lie (if you repeat it often enough people will believe it)

  • Too many examples to list here

Too many parallels to ignore. It can happen here.

Well, at least trump does not use home made email servers for top secret documents. Anybody else would be thrown in jail for that. There is a slew of regulations about that. So at least he is not making insecure email servers for every wannabe hacker and foreign intelligence agency to mine for secrets on the internals of our agencies. You all are in IT, you should know the requirements for true security, and I bet some of you have actually met IT defense contractors. There is a lot of time and effort involved in keeping top level communication secure in a very technical way. The only reason Hillary was not thrown in jail was that she had fame, and none of the agencies would procecute the next proabable president. The fix was in. I chuckle to myself every so often that some of the other news agencies over printed articles and magazenes by the millions with hillary's winning articles, only to discover the next day that trump had in fact won.

You opened up this holy war, now here's both barrels.

commented: Many experts have concluded no laws were broken. Why else haven't anyone prosecuted her now she is a nobody? +0

Right. The "what about you" defense, also known as the "look over there" tactic. Hillary lost the election. I'm not talking about Hillary. I'm talking about Trump.

Actually you are contemplating why trump rose to power, and not applying the context to which he did rise to power, he was versing a democrat who had an email scandal pending. Speaking of "the look over there" tactic, I have seen it plenty of times from hillary when she foraged a dossier on trump and fed it to the intel community. I believe that your original statements concerning trump are baseless, due to the fact that there are other factors, outlined in my post.

commented: Say good bye to the "flawed democracy" rating and hello to "fascist dystopia" +0

And back to Hillary.

My previous post was contemplating the things Trump has done since assuming the office of president. As I said, this thread is about Trump, not Hillary. If you can defend the things Trump has been doing (without the "What about Hillary" rhetoric) I'd be interested in listening. If you want to start a thread about Hillary then please feel free. If you want to keep talking about her here then I'll just delete the posts as being off topic. If you start posting about chocolate or pandas in this thread I will also delete for being off topic.

Keep in mind that trolling is against the daniweb rules which you agreed to follow when you joined.

Well, I do think my observations are related if you actually read post number 2 it justifies the assertations as being related to this topic. You don't suppose you just want your soap box? You wanna be king of the hill? Sensorship of opinions? Only the opinions you like?

commented: Trolling +0
commented: Feel free to start a Clinton thread (no lover of either them here) but this a Trump one - that's not censorship it's keeping the discussion on topic +0
commented: Do nt hijack someone else's topic. If you want to discuss Hillary, start your own. +0

Well, I do think my observations are related

Then start a new Hillary thread and add a link to this thread in the first post. As I said, if you want to defend Trump's actions on their own merits then do so. Claiming that someone has done worse is not a defense. If so then all rapists would get off because, after all, murder is worse. If you can't do that then one can only conclude that his actions are indefensible.

PS - I'd be more than willing to post all the bad things I think about Hillary, just not in this thread.

This exemplifies why Trump rose to power. Justify nothing, point to a failed alternative. His supporters understand this
They do it to justify supporting him. You will never win an argument with this flavour of wing nut. Well you will every time but they fail or pretend to fail to see it.

+alan.davies And it is catching. Both Brexit and Doug Ford were campaigns run on nothing except hating on the alternatives. If all you do is vote against a thing you don't like then any power-hungry monster can exploit you to get into power and do whatever the F--- they want because they barely need to pretend to do something good.

I don’t particularly care for politics and really don’t follow what’s going all that much. I educate myself just enough to be able to make a sound vote when the time comes

Paul Manafort has been found guilty on 8 counts. That will mean jail time. Trump has two options at this point.

  1. He can let the chips fall where they may, in which case he is telling everyone with dirt on him that they are on their own. There would then be nothing to keep them from cutting a deal and testifying.
  2. He can pardon Manafort, in which case he is saying that people who are useful to him are above the law. He has already asked about the president's ability to pardon himself so this would also mean that he considers himself above the law (like we had any doubt).

Any bets on which way this will play out?

And then there's the Cohen plea of course, with the campaign silence payments at the direction of Trump... Perhaps time is, at last, running out for the orange clown?

He's said it's a shame as they are, in his limited vocabulary, "good men". He doesn't care what the media says or what Democrat voters think. He has the yeehaws in his pocket already.

Someone said something like "If this is a witch hunt they certainly bagged a lot of them. And only the best and brightest witches."

11 months ago I posted

An episode of the 1950s western TV series 'Trackdown' featured a character named Walter Trump who claimed he would build a wall in order to protect a town from the end of the world.

In light of more recent examples of Trump-l'œil such as him claiming that he is our only hope and if he is removed from the presidency the economy will collapse, I give you this excerpt of dialog from "Trackdown - The End of the World"

Judge Clement: It's a funny thing. When we were kids we were all afraid of the dark. Then we grew up and weren't afraid anymore. But it's funny how a big lie can make us all kids again.
Walter Trump: I am the only one. Just me. I can build a wall around your homes that nothing can penetrate ... You ask me "how do you build that wall? You ask and I'm here to tell you.

It grieves me that a suckling in his seventies puts such an indignity on the honour to be president of the USA. But yeah that is what democracy is all about, or isn't it?

Supposed to be. But it's not a democracy. To wit - the GOP in North Carolina heavily gerrymandered the voting districts in order to pack as many black voters into as few districts as possible. This was ruled unconstitutional because you cannot redistrict based on race so they then claimed that the lines were not drawn by race but by party and supposedly that was not illegal (it is). The courts produced evidence of this. Apparently GOP officials had stated at the start of the redistricting that they wanted the lines drawn to guarantee 10 Republican seats and 2 Democrats. When asked why, they responded, "because we couldn't figure out how to guarantee 11 and 1". They have been ordered to redraw the lines before the November election. The GOP is naturally fighting to delay this until after the election.

In Georgia, one district (heavily GOP) in a recent election had a %216 voter turnout. The ruling party (GOP) found nothing amiss. You know, the GOP that is always shouting VOTER FRAUD whenever a Democrat gets elected.

Back in North Carolina, when a Democrat won the Gubernatorial race, the GOP house (with a super majority) stripped him of most of his powers. A state supreme court seat is currently up for grabs. When the last open seat went to a Democrat, the GOP ordered an elimination of primaries, assuming that with one Republican running, multiple Democrats would split the vote. When a second Republican registered to run, the GOP tried to strip him of party status (and failed). Then they tried to pass a law forcing candidates with last names starting with A-E (the Democratic candidate is Anita Earls) to the bottom of the ballot (many people just pick the top name).

With so many state legislatures controlled by a party that pulls shit like that, and an Electoral College that gives the minority candidate the presidency, is it really a democracy?

On a side note, doing away with the Electoral College would require a constitutional change but it could be rendered ineffective if enough states pass legislation that would automatically give all of their EC votes to the presidential candidate with an overall majority of the popular vote, so there is still hope.

commented: Many NGOs have found the USA to be much less democratic than most western countries. The US is really borderline "third world" these days. +0

I just cannot believe how stupid people are. Thatcher, Bush Jr, Berlusconi, Brexit, Trump. All free choices. As a species we do not seem better than lemmings, despite our so-called intelligence. How will the plebs of the 20th and 21st century be remembered? As fucking morons.

I just cannot believe how stupid people are.

I don't know about Europe, but in the US politics is treated like any other sport. As long as your team wins you don't give a shit what they do after.

I often wondered why so many of Trump's supporters keep supporting him even after they have obviously been negatively impacted - like the northern farmers losing big time because of the new tarrifs. All I can think is that they have been convinced that a little pain and suffering on their part is tolerable as long as those in the "other tribe" are suffering even more.

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump files copyright/trademarks on the phrases "Fake News" and "Witch Hunt" just so he can make a few bucks as they take him down